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05-20-2024 , 08:07 AM
Hello world, my name is Sergey and this is my last contribution to this miserable existence...

I cant take it anymore. I've lost everything dear to me. My wife and son were killed in a horrific accident. This isn't worth it anymore. I can't bear this pain inside of me that is eating me ever since they were gone. I cant keep going without them. This guilt I carry on top of this pain... it's become unbearable. So finally im coming clean.

I've been a poker player for 10 years now. I'm part of a stable of grinders designed to grind out every penny possible out of the beast, the elite benefits program, and every fool that dares step on the virtual felt with us. We call it Variance Free. We've made so much money over the years with our no longer super secret stable. Yes. We cheat. We card share, we collude, we've been sharing data and hand histories well before these pay to win sites started data mining and selling it to the public. We were doing MDA well before it became mainstream. This system allows us to play perfectly against any opponent. We make perfect folds preflop and postflop, we make claivoyant checkbacks with clear value hands that would be bets according to theory, we make "bad" thin value bets according to theory, and loose raises in spots opponents will almost always fold once we know what cards have been folded. During preflop, we play in a way that maximizes our chances of hitting sets, flushes, etc in order to cooler everyone else. By knowing which cards have been folded, we can "speculate" in perfect situations, and can also cold call hands that normally wouldnt, e.g AK, KK and QQ in certain situations where we know certain cards are still in the deck. This is why some players feel like the deck on WPN is fixed because we always cooler everyone like this, so it seems like variance to most- and those who suspect rng fixing and voice it out would never be believed by those that understand variance at a surface level. Maximum exploit is the name of the game. Downswings are not really a thing for us as you can probably deduce by now. But we don't go overboard like some others who don't care and make it too obvious. We carefully craft our moves as to not look suspicious about the collusion and play the cooler hands standardly against each other. Also sprinkle a fair amount of bluffs. That's how we've been able to stay undetected for so long and milking the Beast on Winning Poker Network. Not that they care too much about their security in the first place haha. They allow other stables to make use of bots fairly easily without many issues. Once they figure out which accounts are the bots, they've already worked on more advanced ways to make the future bots go undetected and play more human like. Bots were not our goal, however. We figured that by deploying our Variance Free system we could make 3x more money than by running bots that can't adjust on the fly as we can. It's all about max exploitation.

But no more. I've got nothing else to lose now, and since this is it, i might as well lse it all at this point.

This is the list of some of us who play during the same shift and some I know from other stables: (there are many others but we do different shifts and I haven't met them)

VegetablesArentYummy
IgLa
PayNCry
revolution_
Parcker
PANDAisEVIL
AironVega
ludomen
NLCHAKRA
BruhCringe
BungEyedHoe
BukhnoG83
FREDYBULLIT
DesertEagle21
Reelest
RyanGippa
Bertlschosch
OtxentxaOtxo
sfn100
UncleSam84
Rufous_Nightjar
TRUEskawka
Merrk
Cube.com

One last thing before i go for good- i don't care if you want to call me a thief, a scum or a piece of ****. I deserve it and will take the shame with me to the grave. But at least I've taken this off my chest and can now rest in pain, but guilt free. Good bye.
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05-20-2024 , 11:58 AM
I wasn't sure if this was serious at first.

But the list of usernames checks out.

I'm really sorry for your loss and I hope you're able to reach out to someone to talk too.
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05-20-2024 , 04:09 PM
I put all these players in an alias, shitter stable if real


Ouchie $8.4k under EV even with all the collusion. And 48 WWSF sickest MDA redline warriors

It would be so easy for the poster to provide concrete evidence if they're actually a member of this supposed stable (even if not in English). Wack post do they just not like Eastern Euros?
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05-20-2024 , 04:12 PM
BB graph
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05-20-2024 , 04:40 PM
Sorry for your loss. If this is real I hope you can post more evidence ... I do believe there are shenanigans going on at ACR.

I seem to recall a thread a few years back posted by VegetablesArentYummy (complaining about being super under EV on ACR at 200NL over a big sample). Am I remembering someone else? Whoever posted it was a winner but was massively under EV for the year of the graph they posted. Does anyone remember this thread? I can't seem to find the thread.

Last edited by ten25; 05-20-2024 at 04:45 PM.
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05-20-2024 , 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by TripleBerryJam
I put all these players in an alias, shitter stable if real


Ouchie $8.4k under EV even with all the collusion. And 48 WWSF sickest MDA redline warriors

It would be so easy for the poster to provide concrete evidence if they're actually a member of this supposed stable (even if not in English). Wack post do they just not like Eastern Euros?
What was interesting to me is finding out a player like Parcker is a slight loser pre-RB. But getting $2k in Beast money per month + RB + Medals and the other rewards seems like he makes out.

Very different playing profile than some of the other bots though and does seem like there is a human operator there as he uses emojis and also appears to vary his play as opposed to other bots I've seen that seem more static.
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05-20-2024 , 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by TripleBerryJam
I put all these players in an alias, shitter stable if real


Ouchie $8.4k under EV even with all the collusion. And 48 WWSF sickest MDA redline warriors

It would be so easy for the poster to provide concrete evidence if they're actually a member of this supposed stable (even if not in English). Wack post do they just not like Eastern Euros?
it´s obviously a troller xD since there are some fish in that list
+there is even a bot Reelest hahahaha
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05-20-2024 , 09:06 PM
no doubt wpn operations like this exist but OP reads v fake from someone with a surface level understanding of card sharing and collusion
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05-21-2024 , 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by ten25
Sorry for your loss. If this is real I hope you can post more evidence ... I do believe there are shenanigans going on at ACR.

I seem to recall a thread a few years back posted by VegetablesArentYummy (complaining about being super under EV on ACR at 200NL over a big sample). Am I remembering someone else? Whoever posted it was a winner but was massively under EV for the year of the graph they posted. Does anyone remember this thread? I can't seem to find the thread.
Yes I remember the thread. You can't find it because veggies posted it on Reddit. Here is the link. https://www.reddit.com/r/poker/comme...couple_months/
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05-21-2024 , 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by TripleBerryJam
I put all these players in an alias, shitter stable if real


Ouchie $8.4k under EV even with all the collusion. And 48 WWSF sickest MDA redline warriors

It would be so easy for the poster to provide concrete evidence if they're actually a member of this supposed stable (even if not in English). Wack post do they just not like Eastern Euros?
I don't have your sample but I can confirm the sample I have on that confirms your findings. This has got to be the worst stable ever if this is real. I couldn't find a single name on that list that was ''crushing'' pre-rb. ACR clearly bot infested and I am 100% sure there's plenty of people colluding on there but it's not these guys.
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05-21-2024 , 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by TripleBerryJam
I put all these players in an alias, shitter stable if real


Ouchie $8.4k under EV even with all the collusion. And 48 WWSF sickest MDA redline warriors

It would be so easy for the poster to provide concrete evidence if they're actually a member of this supposed stable (even if not in English). Wack post do they just not like Eastern Euros?
There are 24 names on the list which works out to ~35k hands per player , that’s absurdly low and obviously way incomplete sample given many of these guys are high volume blitz grinders
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05-21-2024 , 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by RalphWaldoEmerson
There are 24 names on the list which works out to ~35k hands per player , that’s absurdly low and obviously way incomplete sample given many of these guys are high volume blitz grinders
Ehh it's a 830k hand sample on an alleged colluding STABLE. Sure 35k hands per player isn't much but 830k hands on a stable that's supposedly working together and ''crushing'' the games seems like a lot. Seems even more relevant that they're a losing stable pre-rb which is the opposite of what Sergey claims.
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05-21-2024 , 04:20 PM
I don't get statname.

My results aren't anywhere remotely close to accurate. For NL cash games on ACR, I've only ever played 200, or, a number of years ago, 50z, either normal tables or zone. It says I lost 5.8k in 613 hands in September '21 and 3.5k in 501 hands in October '21. Please allow me to assure you that I did not lose anywhere near those amounts in those number of hands at 200nl, lol.

This is my first time using statname, as I just started playing ACR regular cash tables. What's going on here?
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05-22-2024 , 02:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Karl_TheOG_Marx
I don't get statname.

My results aren't anywhere remotely close to accurate. For NL cash games on ACR, I've only ever played 200, or, a number of years ago, 50z, either normal tables or zone. It says I lost 5.8k in 613 hands in September '21 and 3.5k in 501 hands in October '21. Please allow me to assure you that I did not lose anywhere near those amounts in those number of hands at 200nl, lol.

This is my first time using statname, as I just started playing ACR regular cash tables. What's going on here?
Statname have been tracking very bad for a long time, especially on acr.

On topic i posted in another chat, but for example aironvega and pandaisevil has the same name on social media. Close to zero chance there is any truth to this.
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05-23-2024 , 01:50 PM
I have no idea if Smarthand tracks correctly the hand EV, but I took al the players that play the most hands on all stakes made an alias and ran a simulation on primedope and in like 150M hands they were all in bottom 0.4% run. Which seemed pretty suspicious to me. But I just asumed that it tracked wrong
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