pretty sure we can say whether or not some agent is a scumbag or what not? Or you can just PM a mod if you get spammed by one

can anyone tell me which are lowest stakes available on pppoker clubs?

Also interested in $10nl low stake games

Tons of NL10-Nl60ish available

Its funny that theres so much discussion about HUDs and hand histories on the big poker sites and to protect the recs. How rec players wont play online poker because of solvers and HUDS.

Yet on PPPoker the recs have no trouble getting colluded against teams of players with even less chance of winning than VS the huds they still keep coming back to get fisted elbow deep.

So basically the best way to make money in 2019 at online poker is to find a team of 2-3 guys to collude with at mid-stakes cash games on PPPoker. As apparently there is no risk?


I was honestly looking at perhaps signing up to a club but it looks like far more risk than reward??

What should i be looking for in a legit club.....? a post above said the sunshine one is full of collusion.... that one has over 8000 players....? i just dont understand.

I wouldn't say "no risk", but nobody can prove that you were colluding and you can just cash out and make a new account every day. But there's always the risk of having an unscrupulous agent/owner just take your money for whatever reason they want. Including "I think you're colluding". They say that occasionally when they just want to take people's money. So in a roundabout way, you could accidentally get punished for what you're doing, just by accident. Which is kind of funny. Also never play on pppoker.


There's nothing to look for because nobody can keep their club secure because of the limitations of the software. Not sure what you aren't understanding, nobody can see hand histories so nobody can prove if people are colluding, so people collude. The more players a club has, the more likely it is that people are colluding.

Also a ton of owners are really dumb and don't know much about poker. So if they actually catch people colluding (it happens occasionally, sometimes people collude in super dumb and obvious ways) in real time, they confiscate the balances and threaten everyone involved (players, agents, other owners) to not tell anyone because they think that if players find out that they caught people colluding, they wouldn't want to play on the site. Also they don't want to return the money to the people who got colluded against.

Again, never play on pppoker.

ok thx that helps ill avoid it

I'm told by some casino players that UPoker is better than PPP - anyone familiar with them here?

Its a clone of PPP pretty much same system with slightly better software

I have never had issues with PPPoker. I belong to a great honest group and payouts are super easy. software can be kinds of slow but so far ive made good money and just a casual poker play. Something to do when the family is sleeping.

Just started playing today with UPoker - there doesn't seem to be an auto top-up feature. Is it the same for PPPoker? And can you stop that blasted insurance screen from popping up all the time?

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Do they offer huplo and if thy do what stakes?

anyone notice the games are getting much tougher?

I assume that depends which club you're in? I wouldn't know, I'm considering joining up and giving it a go.

Some clubs/unions do. It really depends on which one youre in. I'm in a few that have it, but largely clubs/unions dont have it and their contention is that they lose money running hu tables and so they dont have it

PPP was very popular in the beginning bc it seemingly had insanely soft games compared to the rest of the sites and tons of fish. The problem is that once the masses learned about it then the sharks came into various clubs and the games got harder. Mostly the problem though was what once was hundreds of smaller clubs that only played against each other and the members of that specific club,clubs have formed unions bc the players wanted more action and 24/7 games. The issue w/ unions is the sharks from each club now have an entire shared liquidity pool to play against and crush all the fish in that union, then move on.

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Also a ton of owners are really dumb and don't know much about poker. So if they actually catch people colluding (it happens occasionally, sometimes people collude in super dumb and obvious ways) in real time, they confiscate the balances and threaten everyone involved (players, agents, other owners) to not tell anyone because they think that if players find out that they caught people colluding, they wouldn't want to play on the site. Also they don't want to return the money to the people who got colluded against.

Again, never play on pppoker.[/QUOTE]

That’s not true, players got caught colluding in my union and everybody got a PM explaining they just banned players for collusion.

Do they have PLOHU, and what stakes do they start from?

Largely due to PPPoker becoming more popular so more regs coming over from other sites. It's still probably the softest platform to play on, the chinese apps are mostly insanely soft.

I think bigger unions and bigger clubs add to this effect also.

Sweet, how much money did you get returned to you?

None, the collusion was in PLO and i only play NL. That said I dont think PLO players got refunds either.

That doesnt mean nobody should ever play on the app like you are saying.

My winrate on PP is 3x what it is on ignition after 80k hands, plus i get 30% rakeback. If my PP roll got confiscated today, it would still have been worth my time to play on there because i cash out frequently and keep the absolute minimum funds needed for the stakes i play.

So when I said that owners steal money they confiscate from people they "catch colluding", when there's zero way for them to confirm who is colluding, and you said "that's not true", what you really meant was "that's true", right?

No i was responding to this,

"they confiscate the balances and threaten everyone involved (players, agents, other owners) to not tell anyone because they think that if players find out that they caught people colluding, they wouldn't want to play on the site"

since the exact opposite happened in my union. Players got caught colluding and everybody was notified.

And yeah, as far what happens to the funds after someone is caught, i don't know.
Im sure some will pocket the money, maybe some try to return it to the players.

I acknowledge there is risk, but there are things you can to do the lower it.
I only go through agents that i know in real life, and know where they live, so they can't just block my number and become a ghost.
Keeping the mininum $ you need on the site like i said before, etc.

I think your position of "NEVER PLAY ON PP" is dumb. It has the softest games with the highest rake back.

Just dont be an idiot and give money to an agent from a facebook ad or something and the potential reward will outweigh the risk.

1. Unless you intend to commit crimes, knowing where someone lives isn't that useful in collecting debts.

2. It's amusing that you think Party Poker has the softest tables.