I am not talking about halperin, im referring to big hal. and big hal gives a min 40% to all players and he charges 0% fees on bitcoin. so according to you big hal is an idiot.

So the club owner is expected to eat the fees on that deal?

I honestly would rather not drag any specific agent into this discussion, I am not here to down any agent or owner as I truly respect what they do. However, I doubt that Hal or any agent give a min 40% to ALL players.

The union, or club when applicable, functions as the poker network. A 10K overlay on a 200K GTD is 100% paid as if the guarantee was met. Larger aitea/unions, can absorb 6 figure hits without a blink of an eye.

Yeah, what I was getting at is that the union won't eat the btc fees. So it is on the owner or agent. In a lot of cases, agents make more off of their downline than the owner would. The end goal is to get people to realize that its not a situation of, the owner gets 100% of the rake and agent gets 50% of that 100% (should that be the scale they are on) and that is the end of business. There are always other situations and circumstances that arise that throw complications in the mix, and most of the times, those complications cost money. So, a player expecting an agent to be fine and dandy profiting 10% (should everything go perfectly), guarantee their bankroll, answer their messages instantly 24/7, and have instant cashouts is kind of out of hand.

Oh really because it def seems like you are dragging down agents that give that much rakeback. And I literally just talked to Hal on the phone and they do offer everyone 40% rakeback and some of the biggest rakers even get 45%. So are they ridiculous and ignorant for giving players 40%? How can they give 40% since you are so knowledgeable on the situation?

In the end, if you find a good/reputable agent/club, let them make their money and rest easy knowing that you are in good hands. Don't badger them over rakeback. There are loads of clubs that don't even know their cost of doing business out there offering big rakeback numbers as recruiting tactics that will 100% go belly up before the end of the year. Then we will see threads pop up of "don't play on x app, all club owners are scum and will run with your money", when that person very possibly sealed their own doom by basing their entire decision of where to play off of an extra 20% in rakeback.....

What bitcoin fees? I'm very active across many businesses. I move low mid 6 figures a month, easily, and I don't know if I pay $200 in fees total. A tone that runs a club or u in has no excuse not to understand how to keep their books correctly. If they don't, that is on them.

As far as the rest, yes that 10% is not changing lifestyles except for very low income people. You can also have months that run in the red. The real money is made at the club/union level. I'm not positive, but my guess is 100K a year is probably a very very busy agent. Some players make tons of requests and there is an ethical responsibility to see things through start to finish. That can take up real time for sure.

Sounds like you found your unicorn then!

lol you are incredible. you give hypothetical "extreme" bullshit examples and then I offer an example of a real agent offer 40% rakeback to everyone and now you say he will be belly up by the end of the year or is lying. You really love to move the goal posts.

Here is my guess. You are some trashcan affiliate/agent that is offering 20% rakeback to anyone that asks but if you dont ask for rakeback then you dont give anything. And now you are butt hurt because you are losing all your players to agents offering more rakeback. And you want to come spout nonsense about anyone offering 40% or more rakeback is ignorant or is going to go broke to scare people into not using them.

You purchase 6 figures worth of bitcoin for $200 in fees?

Not from cash, no. I typically have 30-40K in USDT. I can swap that for very very little in fees.

You couldn't be further from the truth. lol. You are picking and choosing pieces and putting them together. I never said all people offering that kind of rb would be belly up. I never said an agent offering 40% was ignorant. I said players expecting that everyone should go under the same umbrella is ignorant. There are tons of clubs that have already gone belly up that started months ago when the covid boom happened. Their tactic was to steal players by offering large rakeback numbers. I am simply saying that players shouldn't solely base their decision of where to play on the amount of rakeback they get, as that is the easiest way to get burned as a player. I am not in any way threatened by Big Hal, he can do him and I can give him props for hustling. I am not trying to say people shouldn't deal with him either.

I think you think I am trying to bash Hal when that is not what I am doing. I am trying to convey to people in this thread that there are expenses that owners and agents will have that players won't know about. Some have more expenses than others, some also provide things that others don't. Again, all situational, but I suspect that we will just have to agree to disagree. FWIW, I am not an agent, and I am not here to recruit.

Buying $70k of BTC off Binance.us and transferring to a fund is not $2100. IT would be .0075% if you used BNB

IT costs $7.5 to buy $10k worth a of btc.

If you were smart you would host another account that you referred to get 40% of their commission.

It would cost you a total of $52.5 to buy it with BNB coins + $5 to transfer it off Binance.us to your ledger if you referred nobody. From your ledger it would cost 38 cents?

This is honestly a waste of time. You mock the information I told you about what Hal is offering and refer to him as a "unicorn" sarcastically. Now you are trying to back track the fact that you said nobody offers ALL players 40% umbrella which he does. And now you said well maybe Hal wont go broke after you said that clubs and agents offering large rakeback deals will 100% go broke by the end of the year?

So what is it? is he 100% going to go broke or not? Is he lying about offering umbrella 40% rakeback or not? I am not picking and choosing. These are things you claimed, not me.

And I am assuming the other agents offer additional things was another jab. Well Hal guarantees funds in the account as well.

Show me where I said 100% of those people would go belly up. I said some of the club owners and agents using large rakeback numbers as their recruiting tactic will 100% go belly up by the end of the year. It’s already happening. Again, you are taking something I said and twisting it to fit your side of the argument. I wasn’t being sarcastic with the unicorn statement. I was being serious, you won’t find many good/reliable agents that will do what you are claiming Hal does.

You clearly said it. I’m not going to argue with you over the language of saying some agents will 100% go belly up. You are presenting a lot of misinformation as facts. That’s the reason I responded and I’ve addressed it. Have a good day

Exactly. I save even more by just hokd9ng usdt and swap when needed

I agree with everything @Kittrel says> not sure how to tag peoples names?

Finally some actiom ITT

I feel obliged to pop in and say the app has been cleaning itself up a little... the games have been good. I’ll admit I was very critical, but once I increased volume and embraced the swings I was able to right the ship.

Anyone using h2n for pokerbros? They fixed all the issues? Also do they take the rake out yet?

Noob questions:

How do i find a trust worthy club? Is there some list somewhere?

What's stopping an agent or club owner from running away with the money? Are there any recourse if they do run?

Tinstone / sunny /whatwonder

Worked with those in past. Never a problem.


Nothing stops them running away of course. It's play money sites with an underground (often illegal) "trust" system to swap play money chips for real money.

They can run away with everything as soon as they want. But some agents trust morals /long term profit over short term gain.

There are at least three agents advertising in this thread. They show the undertitle of "Poker Agent". (Obviously, deciding whether or not to buy from any advertiser of anything, anywhere, is up to the prospective customer after doing their due diligence.)