I have read the discussion earlier in the thread about most western players are less interested in collusion than Chinese pro. I totally agree with that. However, i would rather have pokerbros equipped with better technology than counting on players hold themselves to higher standards.

Does the app work in Spain? I play 25PLO. How would i go around checking the 25PLO games on this app? I read some of this thread and i am still not sure about how this works with unions and clubs.

Yup.

I'd be shopping around; we can offer far more.

As per their new blog and information that seems to be shared they invested very heavily into Security and they banned substantial amount of fraudlent users.
I believe they will share more information in the future. But this is the safest application across all of the apps and it seems Security is one of their biggest focus areas.

I believe they do take security seriously. But all Asian app with collusion claim the same thing too. It would be more convincing if pokerbros can claim they have some more advanced technology than GPS and IP restrictions, which has been proven again and again not enough.

I wish every brick and mortar casino and every online site had a sure fire fool proof way to find collusion. But, they don't and I can't live in wish-world.

Everywhere we play poker there is going to be collusion.

You're asking the wrong question. The question you should be asking is: how probable is it that I'm being colluded in this exact game, and can I still accomplish my goals for playing this game (profit or fun or whatever).

My experience at PokerBros says that collusion isn't rampant, and the games are too good to pass up.

I agree with you and I am playing at pokerbros right now. It is more a concern for the future, as I don’t understand how PokerBros can better catch collusion than Asian apps do and failed. It is true that current player pool of PokerBros Is more ethical, but it could change as colluders found the game here attractive and move over.

It is like if you have seen collusion become rampant in every other casino. Now there is one casino appears clean because it has a cleaner player pool not because of better security technology. Would you wonder what might happen to it eventually?

The Asian apps with the most widespread/obvious collusion generally just pretended to police the games, while club owners offered deals to groups of insiders to collude if they gave a big % of profit to the owner.

(It's not true of all apps/Chinese games, but for sure still goes on.)


This level of cheating is just not going to happen on the main bros unions.

Someone living in the US with a public face/good reputation is just not going to make such an offer.

With the existence of HUDs/tracking etc, even if you look at it solely from a financial POV, games die extremely quickly when you allow cheating on this level.

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Can they just make it king of the hill tables. Starting games are a joke sometimes. Just get grimmed a bunch and there's 6 tables of 1 player.

Any one playing 5 card PLO on here and notice it's always just 1 player who wins over and over again or is this just like my 2 weeks of short term variance?

variance

Are you playing on wifi or cell service?

lololol at someone being able to be a good agent or club owner with 20 friends and a few hours training. A couple hours of training doesn't teach you how to spot a shady character coming in that plans to dump chips at 3am when they think they are less likely to get caught..... A couple hours of training doesn't do ANYTHING for recouping the 10k worth of funds that a scum player charges back. A couple hours of training doesn't just provide the money for you to pay a full time support team. A couple hours training doesn't prepare you for having to protect your network because your identity was impersonated in attempts to steal money from your players and anyone associated with you. All of that takes experience, and experience costs money.....

I literally hate arguing, but some of the ignorance spewed throughout this thread by people sitting the bench is relatively annoying.

I know, players want big rakeback. Hell, they want rake free games, but thats not how it works. There are overhead costs, much more than anyone that has not been a club owner will ever understand. You may find a unicorn agent that will dish out big rakeback, but putting all players under one umbrella and saying 40% is the standard is pretty ignorant. Like a few others have said in this thread, basing where you play solely on rakeback or bonuses is 10000% the best way to lose your entire roll when they decide that they haven't profited enough for their efforts and ghost with your money.....

Can one of the sideline agent pros solve this situation for me please? And this is not in reference to pokerbros or any agent/affiliate based program specifically, this is literally a generic hypothetical situation.

Here is a hypothetical example of an expense that people on the outside won't see. An agency has a group of tournament players that use bitcoin to deposit and the agent gets 50% rb and gives 40% to his players since apparently that is the standard. This week, his players place in 2-3 tourneys for 70k total and they want a bitcoin cashout. It costs him 2100 in fees to purchase 70k in btc and his players raked 1500 of which he gets 750 and gives 600 of that to his players. After that one week, he has lost 1950. Ah, I guess the dumptruck load of 100 dollar bills missed the agent that week huh?

there is an agent in this thread that gives 40% rakeback. Also, seems like you need to spend some of those hours learning to be an agent learning how to get some bitcoin. spending 2100 in fees on buying bitcoin is just laughable. what kind of clown **** is that

Huh? Where do you come up with that.

Let's say 100 players send $100 in bitcoin. They all play 4 $25 games.all the money goes to the top 13 finishers and it's the same players.

There is 1K in rake collect, your numbers are off, but if agent keeps 50%, that is 500 in rake. The bitcoin gets sent back out and $599 covers fluctuation. If you're smart, convert bitcoin inti USDT/USDC for a couple bucks and hold to avoid fluctuation.

Where is this 2200 in fees?

I am glad you made that point, so coming up with 70k in bitcoin and paying less than 3% fee is something standard that is learned in our 2 hours of agent training right?

I am just pointing out how ridiculous your example is. Actually there are two agents that offer 35%+ rakeback on this thread. I guess they are just doing all this out of the goodness of their hearts and arent making any money.

Agents obv work a ton. Hal works all damn day. I understand that agents are basically on call every waking hour 7 days a week but common. saying you have to pay crazy fees for bitcoin in an example to try to show that you are actually losing money as an agent is just hilarious. common man

Yes, the number is off as I initially factored 60%rb for the agent rather than 50. I edited the 50% number but forgot to edit his final cut.

Our two situations are different also though. You collected 10k in bitcoin for deposits there, and there are 70k in payouts. So, lets say that you did not have any other bitcoin cashouts during the week (unlikely) and you still have that 10k stashed and converted to a stable coin, you still have to purchase 60k and eat the fees.

The only way that can make sense is with an overlay. I've seen GTDs altered, mostly up, and would imagine if a game was always overlaying, union would rotate GTD down.

The union, possibly the club, is the guarantor, not the agent. If they had a brand new game, 100K GTD and I put 100% of the players into it and it falls 30K short, the union/club pays shortage.

It was meant to be an extreme situation. Because extreme situations happen. I would bet any amount that halperin doesn't give 35% or better to every player he deals with. I am sure he does work a ton. I am here to say that saying that being a GOOD agent/owner right off the bat with little to no training is basically impossible. I am also saying that people expecting a 40% rb umbrella is just as ignorant and impossible. Everything is situational just as it is in a poker session. I KNOW that there are situations that arise that agents/owners deal with that players and people on the outside don't see or understand. So saying something like (if you aren't getting 40% you are getting fkd) is as wrong as saying you should ALWAYS only limp raise AA preflop......

Does a player that puts in 10k hands a week, deposits/withdraws once a week at most, and does decent rake numbers deserve rakeback? Yes, I can understand it in that situation. Does the other guy that deposits 12 times a day, cashes out once a day, calls at 4am to deposit $27, plays 200 hands a week, and messages with 2-3 bad beat stories a day deserve the same rakeback as player A?

Every agent has a player A. and for every player A. there are most likely 10+ player B's.

I am not saying that no players deserve rakeback or that being a good agent/owner is the hardest job in the world. I am saying that not all players deserve rakeback, and being a good agent/owner is far from the easiest job in the world.

100k gtd, 300k prize pool. Agent x's entire downline rakes 1500 this week, not meaning all 1500 of that was from tourney entries. So, he has 5 guys that entered tourneys throughout the week with minimal deposits and there are 2-3 sizable places totaling 70k. Where does he come up with that bitcoin without coming out of pocket? And what are standard fees on purchasing 70k bitcoin? I am not arguing with you here, I want to make sure we are on the same page with what I was saying is all.

The agent is not responsible for the cashout funds, for the most part. I say I want to withdraw 20K because I bink'd the 100K GTD. Almost all of the time, the agent passes the money up line to the club/union.

The process is like this.... I request a payout. Agent removes the 20K chips from my account. If they hold the funds, they just ship the 20K out to me. When they want their own money, they tell club to send them 20K. The club deducts 20K chips from agent account. Then processes the payment to the agent.

As far as fees for crypto, depends on your setup and volume. I could buy $70K worth of btc for very cheap. Someone that rarely does any transactions and with a site like Coinbase will pay 4% of the amount they buy. My guess is anyone that does a lot of crypto where 70K would be needed probably has 60-100K in dollar tether.