LOL @ calling out other networks that all get people their money in a week, especially Bovada, while Merge allows players like 5 cash outs per year.

#CmonnnnnMan

Bashing carbon will not help in any way. People can make their own decisions on what sites they do or do not want to play on

Mine is the one from 2/5.. I talked to support and they said we will work on it soon as possible and send you a message when done.. but still waiting idk..

Kahn sticking out his neck on the behalf of merge is the only thing giving me hope.

LOL at you NOT reading what I actually wrote. The evidence is here, on 2+2. Everyone has experienced these types of delays post Black Friday at one point or another.



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Kahn

well this isn't true

Will he buy Merge funds?

annnnnd the irrational Kahn hatred has hit a new height

Just trying to let anyone who doesn't know anything about WPN know that there is another good site they can play on and actually get paid, no other agenda.

You know they won't speed up, if they do it's only for a few months a year. As you said this is typical, maybe slightly slower, Merge. 80% of every year since Black Friday.

Yes this is how they've been most of the time since Black Friday. They're incompetent idiots, who despite the fact that every other US facing site pays out in a fraction of the time they do and with many more options, just can't seem to figure out the cash out system.

Look at the big picture, Once you request a withdrawal you can't deposit without cancelling your withdrawal. They take 8 weeks to pay you and your request sits there in pending for that long. Many players will go broke within that time frame, even some of the best ones, so that means Merge not only doesn't have to pay your cash out, they don't have to process your deposit.

These long cash out times also discourage winning regs and staked players from playing there because they are making a good bit of money that will take forever for them to withdraw. Merge is not at all friendly to regs. Every major move they've made since BF has been another step to further discourage regs from playing there.

They removed a bunch of players WU and Wire options when the cashier change over was made, yet another way to slow down withdrawal and piss off regs.

I'm sure Merge will pay every one but I'm sure we're all looking at 8 full weeks minimum and 9 wouldn't surprise me at the rate they're going this time and yes for Merge this is perfectly normal.

I seriously doubt it has anything to do with football season either, that's just their excuse du jour. They always do this and they always have some lame excuse.

When has WPN ever had cash out problems other than maybe the occasional bad check or lost something or the other that affected only the one player involved. I've NEVER known of them to have any major widespread cash out issues. Of course they make mistakes and have fraud issues come up that may prevent a few people from getting their money fast but all site have these issues.

I've also never heard one thing about Bovada having any widespread cash out slow down.

If you want to come on here and defend Merge, fine but don't come on here telling things that are either just plain untrue or a major exaggeration.

I'm pretty sure almost 100% of the ppl who are reading this thread already know that wpn is an option for us players

In a heartbeat if I could, alas, there is no way.

Except that I know that they will speed up.

I also know that the data I've been collecting for years and/or the posts right here on 2+2 refutes everything else that you've said w/regard to slow cashouts at Merge and every other site I mentioned.


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Kahn

Prove to me and everyone why u are right. I have yet to see a compelling argument from u.

I'm happy to escrow my bankroll (I'll match the amount you buy with personal funds), as cashouts process the escrow will release the money to you.

No one here can prove or substantiate any claims made about the financial situation of Merge.

- Why would Merge, against their own interest, open their financial records? Is this something private businesses do?

- If someone had the financial records, could they then fully audit them to understand and verify the true position of Merge? (Verify all the holding companies, offshore accounts, personal stakes, transactions, liabilities, etc etc.)


Not paying Skrill is the biggest red flag. With US payments there is always a plausible excuse due to the processing environment, even if other sites are not affected. The list confirms no payments have gone out since March 16-18. No reason has been given why Skrill is not being processed.


Like many small offshore sites, the overwhelming odds are that they simply pay out by relying on new deposits. Anything could have happened, issues with processors on either the deposit or payout side, taking opinionated lines, loss making financial positions, investor pullout, internal theft, etc.



This is how it would work, I will also post the total amount with escrow. And throw in a nice profit for the buyer.

Starting to wonder why they have not paid most affiliates, or even bothered to put it in their accounts (as it seems they don't actually have to pay it for a few months). This is the most troubling, Very odd and anyone who is not at least a bit sceptical at this point should have their head examined. Also the skrill payments stopping is a pretty big red flag.

Merge has a track record of being poorly run and terrible customer service, but at the end of they day they have always paid, lets hope that trend continues.

Requested 2/16
Status Pending (no excuse as I am Canadian)

Forgive my ignorance here, but if this is true then why would they reject any deposit at all? For instance, rejecting a deposit from a player who also has a cashout pending? If they were that desperate wouldn't they take any and all deposits?

My stakehorse received a paper check payout ('bout $2k) from Carbon at the beginning of April. It took a couple of months from the request.

Most of my play post-BF has been on Merge, so I know that Khan's posts here are accurate. 2-3 times a year cashouts cease for a couple of months, then I'll get 3 max cashout wires in a month. That post above that refers to a maximum of 5 cashouts per year is totally false.

That said, it concerns me a little if Skrill and affiliate payments aren't getting paid.

do you have any sort of evidence or experience to back this statement up? nearly half a million will be used for buyins to MTTs 2day. what % or total players' bankrolls do you think are used to reg MTTs on a Sunday. double it to be safe and extrapolate a conservative estimate of total balances.

what happened to all that cash in your hypothetical scenario where deposits have to cover withdrawals?

Hey guys,

I've seen multiple people say that this is normal for Carbon (the slow cashouts) a few times a year, and then it goes back to normal. My question is, when it goes back to "normal", is that still one max $2,500 cashout/month?

some will be slightly faster as I have seen them go as fast as 2 weeks(very rare) and some a lot slower (am currently on week 7), but over the course of a year, if history is an indicator, I would say 8-12 cashouts can be expected. If you get more consider yourself lucky

How is it not a red flag that Merge is supposedly having a problem with all its payment processors. All of a sudden, none of the other American facing sites are? Merge must be using its own truly unique processors that the other sites don't use. #ComeOnnnnMannn. Skrill isn't even being processed which doesn't even use those payment processors they usually are handled from Merge to Skrill. Anyone poker rep can tell you that the company doesn't need a middle man to take a % and instead they handle that payment method themselves.

It doesn't matter if one affiliate, two affiliates, 6 players get paid this month or or next week. There is a big issue here. The manure we are being told is as bad as hearing, Lock Poker talk about clogged pipes with Payment processors. We all now know that they were just trying to buy time to get an investor to bail them out.

When Kahn states that things will be okay and go back to normal because of past trends his logic is wrong. Can I be sure the sun will rise tomorrow because I said the sun will rise tomorrow? OF COURSE NOT!! I use an extreme example to show that theres no guarantee because I say something its going to happen, and the same for Kahn.

Kahn is not an authoritarian figure, he is not a site rep, he does not have access to insider info. Read his profile he states this. Therefore taking his word that everything is okay and this is "normal" is just nonsense. He makes money off of people joining this site. He is bias and its in his best interest to be positive and keep optimism (shill).

Every other reliable poker site (Bovada, WPN) since Black Friday has not had issues to this magnitude. That is just false. There have been issues with other sites like ACR which got bailed out, and who knows maybe someone will bail Merge out too.

WHY DOES NO ONE CONFRONT THE FACT THAT NO SITE OUT OF CURACO HAS SUCCEEDED OR NOT BEEN A PONZI SCHEME?

WHY DO NONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO STICK UP FOR MERGE PROVIDE FACTS AND JUST STATE WORDS AND THEN ASSUME THEIR WORD IS FACT? Saying this has happened before and will be okay is not fact.

I think anyone who says its okay to wait months for withdrawals is an unwise person. I think anyone who thinks that Merge and it's "unique" payment processors which they only use and the other sites don't will catch up with the backlog is setting themselves up for failure. The backlog grows....ROW are not even being paid out. With the backlog getting larger and Merge's "unique" payment processor issues continuing tread carefully....Oh wait I am sorry 2 or so affiliates got paid and 6 players checks were processed so the illusion of payments continues. My bad guys.

omfg stfu please

First off thank you for the work you are doing in the lock thread, I have a few K stuck there and would like nothing more then to see someone held accountable.

I am far from merge shill and have a bit of money on there, so lets deal in facts, those of us that have been around for a while have seen this before although far from ideal we all ended up getting paid. These are different owners and a different network then Lock who we know you have a lot of money tied up on, I get your outrage and the fact you do not want to see a "Lock 2"

The fact is no one knows whats going on here but Merge, there are a ton of reasons this could be happening ranging from pure laziness on the processing department all the way to they don't have our money.

Its been a couple of years since it has been this bad, and to be honest im not sure what happened. I don't want to make excuses because all of their competitors do it a lot better then them. and Bodog/Bovada by far the best.

I had a friend who had 130k on merge at one point and he was in southern USA and payments had slowed to this kind of crawl. he took 18 months and got 30k off. people were screaming from the high heavans that merge was broke the sky was falling etc. he came to Canada set up a residence by renting my basement apartment and set everything in order by changing address etc. 8 days later he got 10 wires and got his entire remaining balance of 93k off . To sum up its less likely for us that have seen this before that merge is broke then something internally happened. For instance someone internally responsible for somewhat righting the ship has quit, to management has changed, who knows. Thing is a bit of leeway is extended to them personally because they do have a history of paying.

i was just thinking "i hope some random from New Jersey who has $0 on Merge dumps a whole ****load of words here that say absolutely nothing." thanks for the work you're doing here Hip!

what if Kahn warned players against playing on Lock long before their cash outs problems. that would mean the guy literally did the opposite of what you're accusing him of, but don't let that get in your way, you found yourself a villain! Cuacao!

NOW I NEED CAPS BECAUSE THIS IS A SERIOUS POST

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