The bottom line is that these sites are unregulated so they are going to do what they want, regardless of wrong or right.

The way that I see the VIP system is that it actually has a built in 30 notice if changes are to be made. The VIP system works in such a way that the reward for earning points is awarded in the following month. A change to a T&C can't retroactively change that any more than a site can cancel the rewards for a tournament post-tournament. A T&C can be changed but they can't be changed retroactively; that's similar to all contracts. If something like this would be to be brought to a hearing I think that it would be very unlikely that the site would prevail. Unfortunately, from what I've been able to google, the new licensing that Merge switched to doesn't do hearings for players. So it looks like Jazette is going to take advantage of its unregulated status and pillage to its heart's content.

Merge should really be ashamed of themselves for what the tournament schedule has turned Tuesday nights into. I can't do this anymore.

You people complaining about getting less free money then you did a month ago sound like a bunch of whinny babies with a sense of entitlement! Quit your complaining. They decided they are going to give you less for free then they used to. Get over it. They don't have to run a promotion endlessly. Nor do they have to give you the opportunity to cash in your points earned on a prorated basis because you didn't achieve the entire amount required. Be happy they didn't take all of your welfare away. Learn to be a profitable player without rake back. If you are unhappy with the company you are doing business with then stop doing business with them.

completely agree with this statement

But this, seriously man? How are getting points like welfare?

You are right that was a bit unnecessary and not exactly a good comparison. Welfare was set up and is given in theory because people need it and its for the betterment of society. VIP rewards and rake back are nowhere near that same level of need.

would you say this same argument to people that invested in Bernie Madoff? People are being ripped off here- being unhappy is simply a result of that.

A promotional giveaway or reward and an investment are no where near the same thing'

they are actually pretty similar. people are choosing to deposit on ph with the expectation of a higher return on their investment.

also.. do you know how ridiculous it sounds to say that people are getting "less free money"? merge is charging very high amounts of rake, and using these promotions as a way to draw higher volume players in. its not like they are simply giving these players gifts for being members of the site.


i also have a serious problem with your idea that "If you are unhappy with the company you are doing business with then stop doing business with them". This leads to a situation where companies are not held liable for their shady actions.

Soooooooooo Day Light Savings happened for Carbon over night? Opened up Carbon and was semi tilted to not see the $11, $33 or $60 deeps regging. Come to realize that they are an hour down the schedule, then realize that the Carbon server is all the sudden an hour behind me? I obv could have missed the memo but I just thought it was odd they would jump the gun by 3 days. I know that the European was last week but I thought I played Monday with a non adjusted schedule still.

Damn, I didn't realize that. So glad I am completely off there now.

You are not guaranteed a profit when you make an investment. Loyalty programs / promotions and investments are not similar because YOU attach expectations to both of them. You deposit money on a poker site because you want to play poker and hopefully make money but you are not guaranteed any ROI.

Feel free to continue to do business with a company that you are unhappy with but then don't bitch and moan about it. If you believe you are being taken advantaged of (whether you really are or not is irrelevant) then stop working with that company. No company is required to give their customers any rewards. Rewards programs are a form of marketing offered to grow their customer base. Why? Because people will go where they can get free stuff! Free is exactly what the rewards and rake back are. In the long run companies that don't offer rewards or that change their rewards programs for the worse will hurt their business and lose their customer base.

Cabbieguy:

How can you so completely miss the point? People aren't compaining so much about the loss of the VIP system as they are about the sleazy way it was done. Players put in an entire month of hard work expecting the promised reward for their labor only to find their points worth a fraction of what they had been promised. For many putting in those hours multitabling playing in an almost breakeven style meant that the VIP points represented a large part of their monthy profit, not free extra money. We are also very disappointed that the site that we most loved and enjoyed playing on is resorting to every sleazy way of squeezing money from players that has ever been thought of. When the cash game rake was raised to 5.5% with drastically raised caps, was that your idea of the site taking away free money? A lot of their changes had nothing to do with taking away free money.

When Merge got rid of their rakeback they did a similar thing to the VIP points cancellation. They gave players little or no notice before cancelling their points. We very loudly complained that Merge wasn't sending out notification emails to probably most of its players but our complaints were ignored.

How can you possibly think that players aren't looking to move to other sites? Many have moved to Bodog and Winning. Equity poker is about to open on Nov 8 which is intriguing. Right now Equity has been offering the best freerolls I've ever seen which leads me to believe they are very serious about their site considering the large amount of money they have given away. And who knows? Lock might even pull a rabbit out of its hat with its separation from Revolution. But this isn't a thread about those sites. This is a thread about Merge.

bitching about it isn't going to get anything done. hitting them where it hurts (their wallets) is what will get **** done. Traffic on merge is down quite a bit, 3100 people on there right now. The only way to get anything done is for everyone to boycott. I couldn't really care less. Im going to Mexico.

cliffs: less bitching more proactive and reactive measures.

So what you are saying is...

1. You believe they screwed you before when they got rid of rakeback.
2. You complained "very loudly".
3. Your complaints were ignored.

Now you are complaining because you believe you have been screwed again?? What's that old saying? Screw me once shame on you screw me twice.....

I have said this to CarbonRyan more than once. My complaints are aimed at improving the site. Customers complain for a reason. Considering that we have so few options and that all of those options have flaws of their own, leaves us with few choices if we want to continue playing poker. This situation wouldn't exist if things were otherwise. You talk as if PokerStars is still operating in the US and is still a choice for us. All of which doesn't explain why you are spending so much of your time in this thread.

Cubbieguy,
I was screwed out of a few hundred in point devaluation and feel like it was very wrong what they did and not conducive to a growing, thriving company that cares about its customers. That being said, Merge has always paid me and I choose to continue to play there because it would be silly for me not to over only a few hundred dollars. That doesn't mean I'm not going to let my voice be heard when I am disgruntled about something. So yes, I will continue to do business with Merge and yes I will "bitch and moan" about something that I feel was wrong. If you dont like it, too bad.

I spend so much time in this thread because I play MTT's on the Sportsbook skin and since we were segregated it has greatly affected my poker income. So I some to this tread to see what is being said in regards to that. Reading all these posts about losing points has started to irritate me. I don't feel a sense of entitlement to benefits/rewards so I had to weigh in. When people give you something for free they can stop doing so at any time they want. In the same way they decided to start giving you that same reward.

I think that you are missing a major point that I have brought up countless times and I think is the major concern to most players. That point is that these decisions that Merge has been making has been destroying the player pool. I think that is the number one concern of players who are complaining. I don't mass multitable so the loss of the VIP points isn't a great enough concern to me for me to leave the site for that reason. My concern is that other players who have been offended are leaving the site. Your solution is to tell players they should leave the site. That's a ridiculous solution.

looks like merge added a bunch of mid stakes mtts especially during the daytime!!!

There is now a $22 deep that goes off with the 11am est $60/$33 deeps

a few midday freezeouts 1 $60 deep around 2pmish and a few $33 1ks and $22 1ks added to the schedule throughout the day

Cheers,

Dex

it would be nice to get a daily $109 6max back on the schedule.... I'm not sure why they removed it, it never had an overlay

Its pretty ironic cruz that you bring up spending time on this thread. Your volume and post count alone here is easily top 10% of all posters.

The vip takeback is already hashed and rehashed to death.

down?

It was. Just came back.

When this happens, log out and back in.


Here's a full list of additions. Those of you wanting more of the old schedule back should be pleased. Also, thanks to everyone who took the time to make well constructed, formatted, and thought-out posts... all of those posts were taken into consideration:



Also, two brand new Badugi MTT's were added at 16:00 and 20:00


And lastly, RE: daylight savings on Merge Gaming:

On the Carbon/Aced/PH side of Merge, all of the MTTs starting times will be adjusted so players don't have to change their current schedule. Everything will run at the same time it currently does.



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Kahn

Sit & Go Leaderboard:

Is there a way to view the results for previous periods?

Thanks