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02-22-2014 , 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by buggits30
looks like theres a good chance the nightly 5.50 is going to hit the guarantee, so does this mean they will look longer at the shorter late reg?
Glad to see it, hopefully they will continue this and add the rest of the nightly schedule. Slow and steady progress...
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02-22-2014 , 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr_Wonderful
+1 to what dalaxthedonk said. It really is simple, ADAPT as he said. I'm not a huge fan of him clogging the thread, but at least it made me smile, opposed to that thing that happens to your face when you're annoyed by reading the same thing over and over and over.
<3 I don't do it for me, I do it for you and all the other dalaxthedonk fans worldwide. God bless.
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02-22-2014 , 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by dalaxthedonk
No 33/60 nightly tonight? Or am I overlooking something here.
Cancelled because of OPS after they said they weren't going to do that during the series, $11 also cancelled.
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02-22-2014 , 10:48 PM

Last edited by dalaxthedonk; 02-22-2014 at 10:48 PM. Reason: deleted that post bcuz i didnt want to clutter the thread with nonsense, i simply dont roll like that
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02-23-2014 , 02:27 AM
Looks like the OPS Main Event was reduced to $125K guarantee from $150K.

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02-23-2014 , 02:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Heartland
Looks like the OPS Main Event was reduced to $125K guarantee from $150K.

What a joke lol. I'm done w/ this network. Advertise a $150K for over a month and then change it less than 24 hours before it starts. Standard Merge. I guess I'll grind the Bovada $162 that is $175K+ pretty much every week. (with no reentries).

GL everyone, I'm done posting/playing here. This is the last slap in the face I can take.
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02-23-2014 , 03:20 AM
I am a weekend warrior. I have played Merge since Black Friday and always won UNTIL this year. The super late registration should be good for skilled players and I have never complained about that but for whatever reason I have run like **** since they changed the late reg policy. Not discussing it further I am honestly happy to be able to cash out in one check and take my business elsewhere.
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02-23-2014 , 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Heartland
Looks like the OPS Main Event was reduced to $125K guarantee from $150K.
yeah, had been for at least a day now, but still basically scummy.

were satties always touted as "150k gtd"?
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02-23-2014 , 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by b-komplex
I am a weekend warrior. I have played Merge since Black Friday and always won UNTIL this year. The super late registration should be good for skilled players and I have never complained about that but for whatever reason I have run like **** since they changed the late reg policy. Not discussing it further I am honestly happy to be able to cash out in one check and take my business elsewhere.
Well there you have it, straight from the horse's mouth. When rec players are getting fed up, it (should) speak volumes.
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02-23-2014 , 01:40 PM
Haha well realized this morning that I have like 9800 VIP points so I am going to play through and then I am probably done here. Unless I bink something of course But closing in on my biggest downswing I haven't played well recently for sure but there is nothing really I want to play anymore other than the $5k guarantees at 22:00.

The structures of the nightlies here are great and the late reg shouldn't be that big of a deal. It just seems likely the pool here has dried up. It's pretty much the same group of guys in anything above $15 buyin and not a single ****ing one of them ever lays down anything anymore they call down 100BB with top pair or flush draw and reload if you bust them and eventually hit their heater and murder me. Merge midstakes regs I hate you all!!!
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02-23-2014 , 02:18 PM
I would suggest the 5$ nightly only met gtd due to the 11, 33 and 60$ games being cops events and not running on pokerhost last night... the 5$ did run on ph
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02-23-2014 , 02:28 PM
How bigs the downswing B konplex if u don't mind me asking
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02-23-2014 , 02:28 PM
and every1 ****s on merge and they have made a lot of poor decisions but they still do have some of the better software thats out for u.s., and still is the highest traffic site with full tracking, the structure of the nightlys 5k/15mins is perfect imo which is what really matters about all the ppl complaining about a tourny going on forever due to 4 hrs of late reg, wtf late reg doesnt make it go longer just increases field, structure change would speed it up a lot more obv, so what if the good players rebuy? if that's honestly the only thing that brought down traffic then sure change it but i doubt it, the lower traffic really has been the biggest downside for merge as of late imo (vip and promo cuts were idiotic and could have been handled better, but assume they were the result of less income from the down trend in players)
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02-23-2014 , 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by vortex91
and every1 ****s on merge and they have made a lot of poor decisions but they still do have some of the better software thats out for u.s., and still is the highest traffic site with full tracking, the structure of the nightlys 5k/15mins is perfect imo which is what really matters about all the ppl complaining about a tourny going on forever due to 4 hrs of late reg, wtf late reg doesnt make it go longer just increases field, structure change would speed it up a lot more obv, so what if the good players rebuy? if that's honestly the only thing that brought down traffic then sure change it but i doubt it, the lower traffic really has been the biggest downside for merge as of late imo (vip and promo cuts were idiotic and could have been handled better, but assume they were the result of less income from the down trend in players)
I agree with most of your post, but what do you feel the reason behind the network w/ the best software (and it's not even close) bleeding players is?

While at the same time a network with anonymous tables, terrible software, and very little rewards is growing at a rate that hasn't been seen since before black Friday.

The nightly tournament schedule is great if you play poker full time and never do anything else. Is that who you want to play w/? People with jobs can't realistically play the schedule being offered (not so much the schedule, but the structures) so they have went elsewhere.

Not so long ago tournaments w/ the same or bigger prize pools were finishing 1/3-1/2 as fast as the current ones. This was with unique entries, a robust schedule to choose from, and 1 hour late reg.

So if it isn't the structures making people leave what do you feel it is? Go read the Bovada and Merge forums elsewhere, they are all filled with people who left Merge because they don't have 9 hours for every tournament the site offers.

Genuinely curious as to what you feel the reason is for people leaving in very large numbers, not trying to argue one way or another.
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02-23-2014 , 04:37 PM
What's the deal with these OPS mains being shutdown and restarted with less chips now ?
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02-23-2014 , 04:41 PM
I left my opinion on the traffic decline out because it would be purely speculation and the rest of this is just my opinion, I agree the 3.75 hr late reg prob looks intimidating to recs, I couldn't agree with moving the main nightlys to 3k/10min or 5k/10min but having a featured turbo or 10min structure set might help, lowering the late reg to make it *look* less intimidating may help slightly...enough to eventually offset smaller pools in the short term and less edge able to be applied idk, I think they made too many changes at once, an abrupt scedule change, removal of the main 10 min blind and cubed tournies, removal of a sensible vip system, introduction of re-entry ect all at once when traffic was already holding or declining(i believe, im not fully up to date on scouts traffic history but opr has 77k merge accounts in 2012 and 42k ish in 2013 something like that? if thats an indicator...) and then those changes hit and traffic seemed to drop and never recovered, it prob also has a slight snowball effect more and more ppl leave as gtd's drop/promos get cut as revenue tightens, just my thoughts on it
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02-23-2014 , 04:52 PM
What happened to the 5.5 cops main?

Never mind it's back

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02-23-2014 , 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by DrawMeOut
What happened to the 5.5 cops main?

Never mind it's back
It was set for 7.5k chips as well as the $1.10, $2.20 and $11, they all closed out came back and now 5k chips..
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02-23-2014 , 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by iPlayPLOhigh
I agree with most of your post, but what do you feel the reason behind the network w/ the best software (and it's not even close) bleeding players is?

While at the same time a network with anonymous tables, terrible software, and very little rewards is growing at a rate that hasn't been seen since before black Friday.

The nightly tournament schedule is great if you play poker full time and never do anything else. Is that who you want to play w/? People with jobs can't realistically play the schedule being offered (not so much the schedule, but the structures) so they have went elsewhere.

Not so long ago tournaments w/ the same or bigger prize pools were finishing 1/3-1/2 as fast as the current ones. This was with unique entries, a robust schedule to choose from, and 1 hour late reg.

So if it isn't the structures making people leave what do you feel it is? Go read the Bovada and Merge forums elsewhere, they are all filled with people who left Merge because they don't have 9 hours for every tournament the site offers.

Genuinely curious as to what you feel the reason is for people leaving in very large numbers, not trying to argue one way or another.
Why doesn't anyone ever talk about the fact that the biggest change (IMO) that was made was segregation. I agree that late reg, vip program, reentry, etc. can have a negative effect on traffic but segregation of Sportsbook and few other merge sites has caused the largest effect on traffic.

For example. Sportsbook's Sunday $215 is only a $50K and has hit $70K recently. If that player pool was combined again with the Carbon player pool wouldn't that have potential to push Carbon's Sunday $100K over $150K conservatively?

That same scenario can be applied to most all of the common tournaments offered on both merge partitions.
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02-23-2014 , 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Cubbieguy10
Why doesn't anyone ever talk about the fact that the biggest change (IMO) that was made was segregation. I agree that late reg, vip program, reentry, etc. can have a negative effect on traffic but segregation of Sportsbook and few other merge sites has caused the largest effect on traffic.

For example. Sportsbook's Sunday $215 is only a $50K and has hit $70K recently. If that player pool was combined again with the Carbon player pool wouldn't that have potential to push Carbon's Sunday $100K over $150K conservatively?

That same scenario can be applied to most all of the common tournaments offered on both merge partitions.
Totally agree segregation had a big effect, if not the biggest. Oddly enough over on PO/SB the structures are (closer to) normal and the tournaments do very well. The only problem is most people can't play more than 4 MTTs on that side and if you win in cash they block the tables or restrict you to like 1.

This network is a mess no matter how you look at it. Nothing they do makes any sense at all and it's been that way for a year and a half now.

I mean what legit network advertises a $150K main event for a series for over a month and then the day before removes $25K from the pool?
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02-23-2014 , 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by vortex91
I think they made too many changes at once
This is spot on. People hate change good bad or neutral. And almost every change made by this network since I started playing here has been unequivocally BAD for every player.

One thing you didn't mention though is when they had the great idea to take the site down for maintenance on a Friday night which personally motivated me to go ship some $$$ to the Phillipines and get started on Bovada. Once there you see there's a ton of tourneys to choose from and lots of fish and you realize your HUD isn't all that necessary when everybody has 15BBs or is happy to pile in a zillion BB with any overpair.

I know a few fish, guys that are just clueless. Transfer was the primary means of funding them so when that went away they weren't really interested in dealing with the deposit hassles. Also most of them "hate rebuys" I have to believe the reentry thing is a turnoff to whatever fish remained after all the churn. They finally catch their two pair in a 3bet pot and bust the annoying reg to their left who keeps raising their limps only to have him rematerialize in the EXACT SAME SEAT. Oh is this a rebuy? No it's a super late registration infinite raked reentry tournament. Thats what all the fish want right?
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02-23-2014 , 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by vortex91
wtf late reg doesnt make it go longer just increases field
which in turn, makes it go longer.
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02-23-2014 , 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by LookBehindYou
which in turn, makes it go longer.
are you really going to contend that more entries and larger field sizes are a bad thing? why not move to some fringe network?
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02-23-2014 , 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by dalaxthedonk
How bigs the downswing B konplex if u don't mind me asking
I don't really keep track but OPR is not pretty for last 120 days. My SN is on the forums here but if you are really interested you have to go look for it I was tilted last night after flushing away another top ten stack in the $60 I don't want to make this about me.

I actually had a ginormous chip lead 5 handed on Friday in that $750 gtd that starts at 9PM EST; all my run good happens when I play micros lol. Unfortunately I feel asleep at the 4AM final table break since I had been up nearly 24 hours straight. That's probably a leak?
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02-23-2014 , 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by vortex91
are you really going to contend that more entries and larger field sizes are a bad thing? why not move to some fringe network?
Tournaments on Stars with 5K people take less time than a mergement with 500 peop.. I mean entries. Not sure how you can say 4 hours of late reg doesn't extend the tournament. If it was unlimited reentries with 1 hour late reg we wouldn't be having this conversation. All they are doing is artificially manipulating the field size w/ the late reg and raking the **** out of the MTT players by raking every reentry. Why do you think they got rid of almost every rebuy on the network that never had overlay? Rebuys get raked once.

Edit: Every single MTT on this side of Merge has gotten smaller as time has passed after the segregation in October. The $11 $7K was over $10K every night, the $33 was over $12K every night, the $60 was over $12K every night, the $109 was close to $15K every night and the $215 was over $20,000 almost every night immediately following the segregation and the new schedule/structure.

If these changes are good/neutral why are guarantees plummeting a long with the traffic? The $215 can barely even meet a $12.5K guarantee lmao.

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