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02-21-2014 , 08:02 AM
Does Pokerhost still take NJ players?
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02-21-2014 , 08:40 AM
I want to 15 table on PH!!!!
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02-21-2014 , 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by TechGenius
No Max VIII for PkrHst
Maximus is only on the Players Only/ Sports Book side of Merge now and honestly it isn't even worth playing unless you already play that side of Merge anyway.
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02-21-2014 , 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by kahntrutahn
I'll make a more detailed post on this and other MTT related issues, probably tomorrow, but please spread the word that the Nightly $5.50 is being tested with a 2h45m late reg instead of 4 hours.

This will be an ongoing test to see how the internals shake out. The GTD amount will not be adjusted for now.


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Wanted to come on and say it was a great improvement! I played this tourney last night and even though it fell around 100 entries short of hitting the guarantee, it was great not hitting the end of the reentry period on the bubble. Makes for a lot better bubble play when you're not constantly worried about some 5k 6bb shortstack reentering and jamming everything. Made people actually have to play. Unfortunately, I bubbled anyway AA<99. Keep up this structure please!
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02-21-2014 , 12:58 PM
I hope other tournaments can be tested for a reduced late reg time. I wouldn't mind the gtd dropping a little. All tournaments shouldn't have late reg after the starting stack is less than 10bb or something close to that. I hate all these tournaments that you can register with 5bbs. I only look at the rebuy tournaments, the other tournaments just end up taking a lot more time.
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02-21-2014 , 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by kahntrutahn
I'll make a more detailed post on this and other MTT related issues, probably tomorrow, but please spread the word that the Nightly $5.50 is being tested with a 2h45m late reg instead of 4 hours.

This will be an ongoing test to see how the internals shake out. The GTD amount will not be adjusted for now.


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Originally Posted by Twi$ZLeKrUNk$
Wanted to come on and say it was a great improvement! I played this tourney last night and even though it fell around 100 entries short of hitting the guarantee, it was great not hitting the end of the reentry period on the bubble. Makes for a lot better bubble play when you're not constantly worried about some 5k 6bb shortstack reentering and jamming everything. Made people actually have to play. Unfortunately, I bubbled anyway AA<99. Keep up this structure please!

I'm glad that you preferred the new late reg on this one tournament. But here is the problem, as you noted... Only 398 entrants were recorded, having a $510 overlay on a $2.5k GTD tournament. This is only a single data point, but if we extrapolate and assume this will be the case should all tournaments be adjusted accordingly, there would be 20% overlays everywhere. I can assure you that will not be an option. GTDs would have to come down to compensate.

This experiment with the $5.50 will continue at least through the end of OPS and we will see how it goes. If it turns favorable, more of the nightly events may be adjusted to further test the experiment (the $11 and $33 for example).

The biggest problem I see here is that if the late reg are adjusted in such a manner as to make the MTTs more playable and squelch the outcry from 2+2'ers and P5'ers about this one problem, a whole new batch of complaints about lowered MTT guarantees will simply take it's place. I fear the new complaints will be about "nothing worth playing" b/c "the guarantees are so low."

Hopefully the word will spread (any help appreciated) about this $5.50 late reg change and how important it is for it to be supported by the player base so that other changes can be more easily implemented in the future, so that everyone can have a better experience on the network.


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02-21-2014 , 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by kahntrutahn
I'm glad that you preferred the new late reg on this one tournament. But here is the problem, as you noted... Only 398 entrants were recorded, having a $510 overlay on a $2.5k GTD tournament. This is only a single data point, but if we extrapolate and assume this will be the case should all tournaments be adjusted accordingly, there would be 20% overlays everywhere. I can assure you that will not be an option. GTDs would have to come down to compensate.

This experiment with the $5.50 will continue at least through the end of OPS and we will see how it goes. If it turns favorable, more of the nightly events may be adjusted to further test the experiment (the $11 and $33 for example).

The biggest problem I see here is that if the late reg are adjusted in such a manner as to make the MTTs more playable and squelch the outcry from 2+2'ers and P5'ers about this one problem, a whole new batch of complaints about lowered MTT guarantees will simply take it's place. I fear the new complaints will be about "nothing worth playing" b/c "the guarantees are so low."

Hopefully the word will spread (any help appreciated) about this $5.50 late reg change and how important it is for it to be supported by the player base so that other changes can be more easily implemented in the future, so that everyone can have a better experience on the network.


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How many people playing a $5.50 donkament do you really think are on 2+2 or P5's? The only announcement was you and it was hours before the tournament. If you didn't check 2+2 yesterday (and this thread specifically) you had no idea it had been adjusted.

If they want to really test this they need to send out an email, do one of those windows messages that pop up when the client is open, or something. Having it go through a 3rd party affiliate is about the worst way to go about it.

Your response makes me feel like they did it this way knowing it wouldn't meet the guarantee so they could use it as an excuse to keep things the way they are.

And through the end of OPS, which is Sunday, isn't nearly long enough to even know if it works because again, most people playing a $5.50 donkament probably have no idea it's been changed. People have left the site because of the problems this format creates. They aren't going to magically come back 2 hours after an affiliate posts in an obscure location about a $2.5K guarantee lmao.
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02-21-2014 , 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by kahntrutahn
I'm glad that you preferred the new late reg on this one tournament. But here is the problem, as you noted... Only 398 entrants were recorded, having a $510 overlay on a $2.5k GTD tournament. This is only a single data point, but if we extrapolate and assume this will be the case should all tournaments be adjusted accordingly, there would be 20% overlays everywhere. I can assure you that will not be an option. GTDs would have to come down to compensate.

This experiment with the $5.50 will continue at least through the end of OPS and we will see how it goes. If it turns favorable, more of the nightly events may be adjusted to further test the experiment (the $11 and $33 for example).

The biggest problem I see here is that if the late reg are adjusted in such a manner as to make the MTTs more playable and squelch the outcry from 2+2'ers and P5'ers about this one problem, a whole new batch of complaints about lowered MTT guarantees will simply take it's place. I fear the new complaints will be about "nothing worth playing" b/c "the guarantees are so low."

Hopefully the word will spread (any help appreciated) about this $5.50 late reg change and how important it is for it to be supported by the player base so that other changes can be more easily implemented in the future, so that everyone can have a better experience on the network.


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lower the guarantees then. Im sure most people would prefer a $11 6k gtd with 2hr 45 min late reg compared to the current one.
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02-21-2014 , 01:57 PM
If the choice is between getting rid of mega late registrations or getting rid of guarantees, I'd choose getting rid of guarantees.
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02-21-2014 , 02:07 PM
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If the choice is between getting rid of mega late registrations or getting rid of guarantees, I'd choose getting rid of guarantees.
+1

Anyone with half of a brain is smart enough to realize they will come back once people realize the tournaments are playable again.

I just feel like this 4 day "test" is just an excuse to say "welp, we tried it, didn't work." so they can keep it the same.

The OPS rebuys have had no problem beating their guarantees yet we can't have rebuys? Come on....
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02-21-2014 , 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by buggits30
lower the guarantees then. Im sure most people would prefer a $11 6k gtd with 2hr 45 min late reg compared to the current one.
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Originally Posted by SantaCruz
If the choice is between getting rid of mega late registrations or getting rid of guarantees, I'd choose getting rid of guarantees.
I told you Kahn, people do not care about the guarantees short term. We all understand that in the long run, players will come back and fields will slowly start to increase, which will allow the site to increase guarantees again.

Also, I agree with the other above poster that this change should have been advertised in a better way than just having you come on here and posting. There should have been a pop-up or email sent letting players know.
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02-21-2014 , 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by jmurjeff
Does Pokerhost still take NJ players?
not sure if they take new NJ players but i haven't heard any existing players being blocked
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02-21-2014 , 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by kahntrutahn
as you noted... Only 398 entrants were recorded, having a $510 overlay on a $2.5k GTD tournament. This is only a single data point, but if we extrapolate and assume this will be the case should all tournaments be adjusted accordingly, there would be 20% overlays everywhere. I can assure you that will not be an option. GTDs would have to come down to compensate.

This experiment with the $5.50 will continue at least through the end of OPS and we will see how it goes. If it turns favorable, more of the nightly events may be adjusted to further test the experiment (the $11 and $33 for example).

The biggest problem I see here is that if the late reg are adjusted in such a manner as to make the MTTs more playable and squelch the outcry from 2+2'ers and P5'ers about this one problem, a whole new batch of complaints about lowered MTT guarantees will simply take it's place. I fear the new complaints will be about "nothing worth playing" b/c "the guarantees are so low."

Hopefully the word will spread (any help appreciated) about this $5.50 late reg change and how important it is for it to be supported by the player base so that other changes can be more easily implemented in the future, so that everyone can have a better experience on the network.


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Players reaching out can only go so far. Not everyone has 2+2 and not everyone gets on here frequently.

Making an assumption about overlays based off of ONE tournament that you and only you said anything about it changing a few hours before it started is beyond dumb. Just goes to show whose side your on....

Players have been very adamant about the guarantees not being the issue. We're concerned with the terrible structures. The guarantees have dropped multiple times in the last few months and neither you or Merge was concerned with player out cry. Remember the $25K, then $20K, then $17.5K and now $12.5K high roller? Where was the concern about the "Out cry on 2+2 over guarantees" then? Especially considering that is a tournament where 3/4th of the 75 people who played it probably got on here or a forum some where.

If this isn't extended past Sunday to give it a real shot at proving something I say we all just leave. The way this came about is a slap in the face. **** you, Merge.

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02-21-2014 , 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by TechGenius
not sure if they take new NJ players but i haven't heard any existing players being blocked
At this point in time Poker Host is accepting NJ residents still and isn't blocking them. Merge clearly wants Poker Host off the network though so who knows how long they will even be on Merge.
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02-21-2014 , 02:49 PM
Remember when i posted about Equity few months back.. there up to 41 now on scout
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02-21-2014 , 02:54 PM
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Remember when i posted about Equity few months back.. there up to 41 now on scout
I've personally had nothing but problems with them (on Full Flush poker). I'd be happy to see them do well, but they are a long way from ever competing with what's currently available.
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02-21-2014 , 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Twi$ZLeKrUNk$
I told you Kahn, people do not care about the guarantees short term. We all understand that in the long run, players will come back and fields will slowly start to increase, which will allow the site to increase guarantees again.
+1. We're talking about a change to the network's ecosystem and those take time. Some short-term downward adjustments in GTDs in exchange for bigger-picture improvements that in the long term will create a better site for a wider variety of players are a fair price to pay. Yes, there will be some short-sighted grumbling, but we'd like to think that the powers-that-be aren't aligning themselves with short-sighted thinkers.
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02-21-2014 , 03:40 PM
I'm honestly indifferent on late reg, why do i care if someone wants to throw in money for 5bbs near itm? I'll take 2500 gtd with the extra late reg over 2k gtd without it...structure is still the same just with 20% less entries tourny really isn't going to finish much quicker so why should i want a quicker late reg? you complain some1 buys in right before the money then "donks" his way up so what? go study $ev and do it yourself

that being said 3.5 to 2.75 hrs late reg isnt a huge difference and if it could *theoretically* pull more people back to merge then sure try it, but if pools drop 20%(2k from 2.5) they now need to increase 25% to get back to where they were before, and i'm hard pressed to see this effecting traffic that much, or to see that late reg was the main reason for merge's loss in traffic in the first place
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02-21-2014 , 03:46 PM
^ That's part of the reason why they should just do away with re-entries all together. Or at least removing them from a huge majority of tournaments.
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02-21-2014 , 03:59 PM
are you crazy do you know how much less money I'd make without re-entry? both on edge compounding and donks throwing more money in repeatedly into larger pools

still have yet to hear a logical argument to banish re-entry or shorten late reg imo
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02-21-2014 , 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by vortex91
are you crazy do you know how much less money I'd make without re-entry? both on edge compounding and donks throwing more money in repeatedly into larger pools

still have yet to hear a logical argument to banish re-entry or shorten late reg imo
Here's an argument, donks aren't the ones reentering over and over it's mainly some of the best players on the site.
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02-21-2014 , 04:08 PM
Insofar as the criticism of the release of this information, please note that this is a grassroots effort that I have initiated in hopes of helping everyone that wishes to play online MTTs from the USA. This isn't a Merge campaign. In the time it takes to write multiple paragraphs of trolling, you could have told 5 of your friends on Skype or 100 of your friends on twitter about the experiment and to help support it.

Let me be clear. There will be no mass system wide message. There will be no mass email on this matter. The data will determine the future. Thanks to those of you who want to be constructive and help us better things for everyone!





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02-21-2014 , 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by kahntrutahn
I don't have time for you, nor do I care, nor will I waste my time reading your misguided opinions.

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Then why are you hear asking for our opinion on the subject to pass a long to Merge about a subject he's been advocating for 3 months? His misguided opinion has been the exact opinion of almost everyone who has responded to you since you posted asking for help.
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02-21-2014 , 04:16 PM
okay there's one, but i'm not playing to be a mediocre player am i? If i'm playing to be one of the best in the tournament there where's the issue?
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02-21-2014 , 04:18 PM
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okay there's one, but i'm not playing to be a mediocre player am i? If i'm playing to be one of the best in the tournament there where's the issue?
Of course not. As a good player it's only right right to take advantage of the system and make as much money as possible. That's what poker is all about. Like stated above, this is a long term problem that needs solved. The site is trending for the worse, not the better because of this.
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