While I believe the bots are more likely to be run by players, how can anyone be certain who is running them? There's no way for us to know who is behind an account.

I don't know how well tournament bots are doing, but the bots at low stake cash games are taking the most money off the the site at those stakes.

As for risking their brand? They clearly are allowing bots. I'm not sure if them doing it themselves is that much worse. Even if they are house bots how would anyone find out?

Try adjusting your play first. Most bots are configured with math so you can exploit it with extra aggression.

"Try adjusting your play first." I already do exploit them to the best of my ability. So now what?

I personally have no issues winning my fair share against the bots. My issue is with them taking money off fish and weak regs at a rate that no actual person is capable of while putting in minimal effort.

A blanket statement of "extra aggression" is pretty much the last thing I'd recommend against the ones I'm talking about. These aren't the old school tight icm playing tournament bots. These cash game bots are at the high end of effective loose-aggressive play.

A good player is not going to struggle against them, but their potential winrate will be smaller because of their presence at 80%+ of the tables.

This isn't fair to us, the weak regs or the fish.

Hand on a stack, and if you look at my posting history it's pretty verifiable: Both the 6max 4NL tables and the HUSNG turbos are a result of my bitching and moaning over the past few weeks. Both very good changes and I have to admit - I'm impressed by BOL's response to this and other conversations I've had with them.

Aren't we getting a little far ahead of ourselves when we're now comparing this network to Lock Poker?

He was being sarcastic.

What percentage of people saw that and thought he was being serious? I'm gonna say at least half.

Only because it wouldn't be very unusual for someone to overreact to that extent on here, you know?

All too well.

Play mostly NL25 mixing sometimes 10, sometimes 50

After reading whats happening on the site decided to cashout round half of the money(june 8th). Nope

Same story. First they asked for documents, and verified them. Requested another cashout, nothing for 2 days. Sent a mail and got asked whats my relation to 4 players. Didnt see the mail and didnt reply and 3 hours later got another one saying i played vs a fraudulent account and they removed 92$. At least they are getting quicker at this...

Waiting for a response why did they remove the money.


Also i notice there is no problem with bitcoin cashouts and this thing is happening only on tigerpoker. I know they are supposed the be the same company but did anyone have trouble on BOL or sportsbetting?

There's all kinds of posts in this thread about it, ffs. You only need to go back like 3 pages.

I had these issues with my first wdraw from BOL but it was based on an IP address issue which I acknowledge. First requested 5/15, received 5/27. Go read the thread, others have posted as well.

Supposedly, another PLO reg used an IP verifier on one of the super suspicious PLO 100/200 regs and the player came back with the same IP as the BOL cashier. He said he was tipped off by someone else which prompted him to check the IP addresses. It's all hearsay, but enough for me to watch my back around the potential house bot. I don't know if it's kosher to throw out names with minimal evidence so I'll leave him anonymous, but if you've played PLO 100 or 200 with any regularity than you've likely played lots of hands with him.

Ralph,

wtf, just because there are similar posts to his he is not entitled to post?

Also he is saying that they deducted from him money, apart from my posts has anyone else experienced the same?

You dont have to be rude to someone that wants to let the community know about their bad experience with chico.

We get it you think is normal for a poker room to have this issues, me and others have a diferent opinion, so let everyone post w/e they want. Its a public forum!

ralph, you'd have a different opinion on this if you were one of the players still waiting on several max withdrawals from Lock Poker or Full Flush Poker.

I want to hear about every problem someone might be having withdrawing, every situation, no matter how small.

The gist of his post was him suggesting that maybe his issues are a result of being on Tiger network, and asking if anyone from BOL skin had had these issues. There are all kinds of posts about it, you just have to read the thread. If you think that's rude idk what to tell you, there is some self enforcement required on the forums imo.

I don't think it's "normal" or good for a poker room to have these issues. Never have I said that.

Yeah just totally not understanding/reading what I'm posting. I want to hear as much information as possible on every cashout as well.

Would I have a different opinion on this if I was waiting on a wdraw from Lock Poker? No, I don't think so. I just try to get people to look at the facts and not make assumptions or get carried away. The fact of the matter is that many players are receiving wdraws within 48 hours from this site. Who knows what their overall liquidity situation is? I certainly have no idea, and neither does anyone else.

This is what I was basing my post on, don't have any evidence personally.

Well the guy posted about his experience and that they also deducted money from him so immidiately his post is not just another random post with delayed withdraw time.

His question was fair imo about Tigergaming AND Btc withdrawal, not eveyone uses Btc. (i play also there and they do not accept US players, so supposedly they should have less issues than BOL).

Do i need to quote your reply to this post?
Maybe you haven't said that it's normal but from your lasts posts ITT my impression is that for you is at least acceptable to have this issues.

What are these player relation questions? They're asking you if you know screen name "x"? And those screen names tend to be suspected bots? Whole thing seems so bizarre.

I would like to call BS on this story. How does a reg use an IP verify with the Poker software? Players aren't connected to each other and should not have players IP shown to another player. Everything is all server side or else players would just hack directly into each others computer.

Yes someone who knows what they're talking about in terms of computer science please clue us in. Checking a fellow players IP location seems impossible to me (admittedly not an expert).

No idea if it's possible or not, I'm not knowledgeable with computer science. He claimed he used something called IP Verifier to check. As someone who was victim to the DoN Chinese collusion ring on Stars and lost balances when both Microgaming and Full Flush, I'm perhaps a bit paranoid, but I will definitely be keeping a closer eye on this player in the future and possibly trying to avoid his tables (not easy with BOL PLO traffic though).

If theres an op verifier couldnt this be used on bovada to keep track of players? Thats defiantly a scary thought of only a few people having this ability.

The only possible way is sending the player a link to log their ip but they would have to click it and it is also against TOS.

Can someone who can talk to the reg that used the "IP verifier" ask him to come post in this thread please?

This is a preposterous statement to make with no evidence. I assume you are talking about one of the accounts we discussed in this thread a few months ago. At least a handful of people emailed BOL to report these players. I just think BOL doesn't care or is fine with them because of all the rake produced.