fwiw, no matter what I do, I just can't lose... It's like having your own printing press that you can operate in your underwear.

I think that's how Ben Franklin got his start.

If the player base is poor I doubt you're gonna find many people (that know enough about poker to care to track it) running above EV.

Fulltilt refunds?

It is entirely possible that winning players/grinders are set to run below EV, thereby making their opponents (usually fish) run above EV when involved in a hand with said grinder. This scenario would balance out. I'm not at all suggesting that is what's happening, just merely pointing out that it is indeed a possibility.

That being said, has any winning player run above EV for over 50k hands? I personally know 3 winning players on Bovada and all 3 as well as myself are running below EV through over 100k hands. 4 people w/ 100k+ hands each is lol_sample size, and we are all still net winners but I gotta say I am curious

Has anyone recorded their play on Bovada with Camtasia or another product?

Any good hand history converter for Bovada that works on Mac software?

Idk about all this, the rig-tard thread is that way -----> In all seriousness though I can't confirm or deny any of this going on or not going on. That said, I'm a SNG player and my sample's not huge but I've ran slightly above or below EV for the past 3-4 months, I'm not 100% sure that it's getting recorded correctly but it seems pretty spot on. I play DON's, and as much as I've read about DON's on anonymous tables being very risky and open to collusion, if they're colluding I'm beating them at they're own game at ~10% roi over a small but effective 5k game sample. 4 tables max really kills me. Back to your suspicions though, If you are undoubtedly sure there's something going on to the effect of balancing winning players and rec players EV, adjust your play (silly advice, I know). I'm not the best person for advice on this matter as I probably fall in to the category of new wave quantum nutballs. You will not find out what you're trying to find out imo. GL!

Yes, Camtasia is pretty awesome, free 90 trial I believe

I'm not a mac geek myself, pretty sure I read in this thread some guys talking about it, don't quote me though

Bovada is silly with their setups. Never seen so many turn/rivers that complete everyone's hand. It's super hard to believe that the RNG is on the up and up.

Ok enough of the rigtard stuff. I have some serious questions that I need answers to.

Can I get rakeback?
Is there a VIP program?
Is there a player to player transfer feature?
What about bonuses?
Why can I only play 4 tables at once?
Why aren't there synchronized breaks? It's 2014 for crying out loud!
Why are there giraffes?

Going by your post count I just wasted my time answering questions you know

FYP

-Pretty sure you would have to be grandfathered in to receive any sort of RB, although they will offer cash back promotions from time to time that will max out around $40/week.
-3 points for every $1 raked which can only be used for tournament tickets
-No p2p transfers
-Sort've answered this already
-Bovada thinks they are catering to the rec. player when imo rec. players want to try multi-tabling too
-Again catering to the rec. player here I think, I imagine a rec. player 2+ tabling some MTT's would love a snyched break as well as every type of player that has 2+ tables up
-I'd be speculating on this one but probably because there are pandas

Apparently Morphy wastes everyone's time on here...

Glad you mentioned this, I have not used it but been looking for some software to use to record my deep runs in mtts, going to do a poker goals and challenge here playing on bovada.

No.

EV is no way effected by skill level.


No, it is not possible.

It is not possible because there are hundreds of us that track every hand we play, and if every winning player on Bovada was running below EV indefinitely I can assure you it would be drama like youve never seen before in these threads and on this forum.

People dont post when they run good fwiw. No one wants to admit their results should be worse. The opposite is true when they run bad, especially inexperienced players.

Yes.



I know two guys that are running -EV at every poker site. Its irrelevant. There are hundreds of players that will run -EV/+EV on every site and every live casino and every home game this month.

yep

Anyone have any ideas on how to get bovada to work - You can’t open the application “BovadaPoker” because it is not supported on this type of Mac.

Getting that error message.

Thanks in advance

Also any Bovada "Red Room" members here?? Just got an email saying that I am now a VIP "Red Room" member...any cool benefits?

http://casino.bovada.lv/red-room
Lists all the benefits.

To your first point:
EV is not affected by skill level if you assume an accurate/untampered RNG.

To your second point:
There already is a ton of drama in this thread regarding this topic. Where have you been???? There's new and multiple posters complaining about Bovada suspicions each and every day. Much much much much more than the threads for other online sites.

In fact, if it weren't for the constant "rigtard" bombardment of posts, then I wouldn't even second-guess my EV over my sample of hands. Very very very easy for a player to run 10 bi below EV through 100k+ hands and a winrate over 5 bb/100... I get that and the mathematics behind it, completely. But when everybody else I talk to and the constant stream of posts here, maybe it's time to dig a little deeper. I'm not claiming Bovada is rigged, I'm just simply asking if ANYBODY in this forum can show that they have both (a) net winning results and (b) have been running above EV

Seriously, of all the people who read this read, if not one person is coming out to say "hey I'm a winning player and I've also ran above EV" then maybe there's a cause for further investigation.

The culture on 2+2 is so poisonous with regards to how defensive it is of online playing sites. This isn't a ****ing clean industry. This is a documented dirty industry. You're all so quick to defend companies when there's quite a few examples of shadiness and corruption. FullTilt corruption mean nothing? Wasn't UltimateBet involved in documented cheating scandal? Lock Poker anybody???

So many of us have been ****ed over by these sites and yet some of you are so ready to pounce on anybody simply asking if a winning player has run above EV. Sorry if some of us are a little skeptical after documented instances of getting stripped cold of our cash by some of these companies. Keep fighting the good fight defending the industry that has bit so many of us. Hopefully none of you are next.

I think you overestimate the number of people on Bovada that have their EV readily available, and can easily check your claim/suggestion.

Fwiw, I'm a winning player over 110k hands and am running way below ev. I do think it would be interesting to find a winner itt who's above ev.

I'm a winning player, and (like the vast majority of people that play on Bovada, I would imagine) have nfc whether I'm above or below EV, and honestly don't really care all that much, mostly because I don't believe in rig theories, and know (given that assumption) that any past rungood or runbad is no indication of future rungood or runbad.

Check the ev tab in holdem manager or poker tracker. It'll tell you if you're above or below ev.

i know someone who is above ev in last ~330k hands and is a winner (.51 BB/100 diff between BB/100 and EV BB/100.

think it's definitely just random and eventually evens out. 4tabling max so running below or above ev is definitely going to seem way worse (or better) and prob bc there's more opportunities/occurances on bovada than other sites to get $ in way ahead or way behind bc more rec players will skew ev.