Well done. Hoping more and more people wreck these idiots.

Sadly, the odds are against anyone who isn't cheating, long term. Best way you can wreck those people is to stop playing and play on different sites (although I realize this is much easier said than done if you live in the US).

+1 They're not even trying to rid the site of collusion anymore, which is something they used to do a very good job of(they never seemed to care about bots but now they should with as advanced as they can be built). Again whens the last time somebody received a refund here for that? I haven't received one in years. They either have nobody competent protecting the integrity of the games these days or they're running house bots and are in on trying to fleece players which wouldn't surprise me based on several factors I've already mentioned here like losing markets/revenue and sensing their time is dwindling here in the US as more and more states legalize online sports betting. They've been cheap AF for a very long time now as well. I'm sure most that post in this thread are atleast decent players, some are obv very good but i guarantee you recs/casual players are getting absolutely destroyed by these accounts that are cheating. I've loved playing here for so many years after black friday just like everyone else but with either their unwillingness to clean up games or them being in on it the sky may actually be falling here, whether it is or not i don't wish to continue playing there under the current climate. I've been withdrawing my roll off there in chunks and am keeping the bare minimum, not playing cash here anymore just tourneys on sundays or whenever they have special days. I would suggest others do the same just in case but that's up to you individually. They wouldn't be the first online poker operator to blatantly F their players over and out of the money. Who would have ever thought ACR would become a better/safer option?

Makes sense why the bots have become so rampant recently in Jan/Feb as ACR cracked down on their bots at the start of Jan and now the ones that run these bots have migrated to Ignition.

The same bots have been on this network for years.
I think the main things that have changed are:

1) It appears that they've gotten access to more higher stakes accounts in the last year.
2) The developer of the most common bot altered their strategy by increasing the overall aggression and colluding tactics of their bot profile within the last year.
3) There is less and less recs each year due to:

a) Some rec heavy markets leaving the pool.
b) Shitty, outdated software that results in recs opting for more modern and entertaining options.
c) Previous recs now using "help" while playing.

Anonymous poker without at least a nickname or a player ID tied to the accounts in the downloadable HHs was always insufficient when it comes to maintaining good game integrity. They've never had a sufficient game integrity department and the ability to download anonymous HHs 24hrs later alone just doesn't cut it in 2024. I'm honestly surprised it took this long for the games to completely deteriorate. It worked out for them in the past due to the amount of recreational players, the location restrictions and the bots being less ubiquitous and a smaller portion of the pool.

The collusion has really ramped up over the last 6 months, though. They used to police VPNs pretty hard, as well, and have gotten lax everywhere. It seems like they have run a cost/benefit analysis to securing the games and decided to scale back the security of the operation.

Maybe I didn't make it clear with my wording, but I definitely agree. They've increased their aggression in general and with regards to colluding within the last year. I could post dozens of some of the most blatant collusion hands I've ever seen just from the last few months.

My best guess would be that the botfarm have becoming more and more profitable and they have expanded from it. It seemed to me that they heavily focused on 500 zone initially (possibly lower games as well, I haven't played below nl500 so can't speak about that). After they conquered 500 zone they went on to 500 and 1k, possibly around the same time. Not entirely sure if it was because the old profile was bad, the lack of blatant collusion or that there just wasn't that many of them. Could been a combination of all three. Either way you could still have a high winrate at those stakes. Eventually they started colluding harder and they multiplied faster, at some point these games became extremely tough to beat for a big winrate. For a long time 2k was the softest stake around, but as of very recently (<6 months) they have expanded to playing 2k as well.

Even if you own them in occasional hands you can never beat them in the long run, they are going to bleed out all human pros out.

This is the part that I am struggling with (haven't play professionally since black Friday but I still play for side income). My win rate over the last 100K hands at 500NL and 200NL went from 10bb+ to less than 3. When I play, I still win vs the clearly recreational players ... but more than 2/3 of that I am giving right back to the cheaters. I will be playing in a game where I have 3 people marked as colluders but I am still playing because I have one marked as weak. Essentially, the cheaters win either way because they either take the money from the weak player or I do but they are skimming most of that off of me. By playing in the games at all, we are helping the cheaters. Part of me wants them to just shut down the poker all together then and let those weak players lose their money to sports betting and black jack. Sickening that people are making so much money off cheating us and we can't do anything about it.

How about switch games? Sorry to be that guy lol

Seems a dumb comment, not everyone can just "switch games". Switch where? to ACR? to HORSE?

BB had Ah4c

Both players appeared to be high vipip, high pfr, high 3bet aggro whales.

Edit: We had less than a 40 hand sample.

Here is a hand between the two suspected players. This was also the first hand of the 3 handed game.


BB had Ts9c and BTN had 9sJs

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Just an update. My funds are still missing from my account. I contacted support and I still have not heard back from them. $325 still missing from my ****ing account. I am absolutely certain that I did not Play blackjack with this money

Looking for a rakeback deal somewhere. I already have verified Ignition and Bovada accounts which I have not played on. DM please.

Another multi accounting rb reg joining the pool. Awesome..What VPN do you use?

This is probably an unpopular opinion but I think Bodog should sever all ties with their affiliates to stop the under the table RB. In addition to these VPN regs, the bots are probably all getting rakeback which is increasing their profitability.

What? Are you okay? Stop tripping dawg lmao.

The disconnects on this site the past few days have been infuriating

From a business perspective, affiliates work as promoters of the company, so if they don't finish it, it's because they realize that the revenue they get is much higher than other alternatives. In my opinion, far more worrying would be the stables whose operation is sometimes unethical. The reality is that today almost no professional player can afford not to have a good agent

What's sometimes very strange is that a site doesn't allow players to retag their accounts (under certain conditions). By doing so, it puts its customers at a disadvantage; the Bovada network is one such case. It's just awful

The two man team where one guy is always buying in for minimum at $10/20 is back again. Basically nothing is being done at the security front

+1000

They definitely are behind atleast some of whats going on if not all of it imo, hope im wrong but doubt it. Just a matter of time before they lose more markets and money on top of what they've already lost, be it on the sports betting front or poker or both. Read yesterday atleast one state in Oklahoma already has a couple of sports betting bills on the table for 2024 and im sure some others will as well if they already don't. They see the writing on the wall and know they are gonna lose a big piece of the US if not all of it altogether in the near future. Way too much shadiness going on here for way too long for them to not notice it if they're not in on it. Have cashed out the majority of my roll on here in chunks and am just keeping the minimum on for tournaments on Sundays, would suggest others consider doing the same to be safe. They're already screwing players over by whats going on and if a full tilt type incident happens or something similar pokerstars won't be coming to the rescue to get you your money down the road this time

Can only speak from personal experience, but 6max PLO games are definitely wack. Both mid and high stakes are an absolute grindfest against big stack colluders and short stack ratholers.

Game’s a ridiculous chore for regs, can’t imagine it’s anything close to “fun” for recs. As football season is over, I’m wrapping up my play for a while. If you thought games suck now, just wait until after Sunday.

Normally the divisional weekend - Superbowl weekend are my 3 best weekends. February has always been my best month on here for 17ish years . The games have been just horrendous the last 3 weekends. I can't imagine how fast the recs are getting slaughtered if I can barely put together two winnings sessions in a row.

The Chicken Little stuff is fun, but some obvious counter-arguments:

- these guys have 20+ years of running a huge, full-rake (not counting affiliate %) poker operation, that has to have made high eight/low nine figures annually. Probably a crapload more. And it's not like they've invested huge in software, quality customer service or even advertising laterly lol
- sports has been a consistent earner for them, but it's not like Ignition even bothered to keep offering sports. they don't exactly push the product, much less depend on it
- no licensed US sports book even takes crypto or offers a good dual sports/poker product. they've still got a good competitive offering
- most licensed US operators are so gun-shy of winning sports bettors they're limiting down a ton of break-even/losing regs. it's not easy to leave offshore and stay in action
- no opinion on security, but I'd expect to see a lot of guys posting grafs of their EV running true over last few years, then going to **** recently if in fact there's a huge uptick in collusion.
- if you think you're the lone legit player at a low-stakes NL six-max table of four-five bots, do the math on how much rake they'd be paying to exploit one player.