Life goes on. I'm not going to dwell on it. Right the whole "long term thing" yeah yeah yeah it's not about winning a hand it's how you do in the long run. Yeah I'm a loser for sure dark horse. I lost in poker so my degree, 12 years of high school, and job become void. For sure dude. ****ing dick

So is Bovada segregating players based on winrates or not?

How do we know whether or not for a fact? Did Ice-Bob or w/e confirm or deny?

Just seems like something is up. It's been very hard lately for me to get on 4 tables of cash. Before it would take maybe 15 minutes to get on 4 tables; lately I can go a half hour or more and still be on only 2 or 3 waiting for a 4th.

And when I do get on any tables, the tables are usually full of full stacked players as opposed to a mix of full and short, which to me usually signifies a stronger table.

Bovada's move to anon tables would be a clever first step before moving to segregation.

Still winning, but that Party Poker scheme has me wondering.

EDIT: oh yeah, I searched this and the Official Network thread for "segregating" first, and it was no help. Searched google the other day, and there was only some stuff about "segregating" players by country of origin.

It's because everybody runs their mouth, recent promotions, and the fact that Bovada's competitors suck balls.

Then again, I'm on 4 tables right now and people are still just throwing money at me.

Good 'ole Bovada, same as it ever was, I guess...

Lol

Yeah, the payout thread doesn't help either. Let's everyone know that Bovada has consistently fast payouts.

I read some article the other day about Bovada's rise to the top of US sites, by number of players. Here it is:

The Key To Bovada Poker’s 2013 Success

Maybe you've seen it, so so article.

Like I said, still a lot of awful players at my tables, so they must not be segregating, or they have segregated me with the donks.

Or maybe just catching aggro players who actually have a decent winrate until they open shove their AJ all-in pre against my cowboys, and so on and so forth.

btw, I tried to get that Open Source Free Poker tracker running with BOvada just to track my results. Couldn't make it work and looked for info.

Any idea how to make it work? I think they said it does, but very little Bovada specific info. And d/l the HH is a pain and bizarre.

I like that real-time HH works like before since the last update tho.

EDIT: nvm, took the FPDB questions to that thread, unless someone can tell me what I'm doing wrong in one sentence or less. I think it has to do with player name/anon entry field.

What time does the FR action pick up on Zone 10NL? Hasn't been running all day.

Dos this pay out daily, as in after you reach 150 points in a week and play one of the qualifying tournys then next day you should have the money in your account?

Quick question

I was playing a .25/.50 cash game today and tried to reload to 50, which was approximately 35 dollars. I won the pot as I was trying to reload and after the hand it didnt top me up to 50. I then tried to reload the next hand and it worked for around 25 dollars. I then look at my bankroll and it deducted both the 35 and 25. Is this a glitch? Or has this happened to anyone else?

Just got dropped from two 25NL tables wtF?

Correct.

Would love to read about this new breed of bots you found out about. The idea of colluding bots has crossed my mind, but once you allow yourself to step into the zone of conspiracy theories, your imagination has a way of getting the best of you. And when there's money at stake, and irrational responses to short term results, well we just can't trust ourselves to make valid conclusions when so much data is simply hidden from us. Which takes me back to my original point. I'm not a paranoid guy. But this environment, combined with my experience and intelligence, is letting my imagination get the best of me.

The answer to your question about HI vs others is a mix of both. I don't believe HI (nor anyone else) has access to any Bovada data stream. I'm not sure but I believe it gathers its temporary data based on scraping technologies - or whatever it's doing it is within the TOC of Bovada Poker. It is akin to you sitting there with a pad and paper and observing what you see, like it's a live game. Other tracking software populates its HUDs with data drawn from the user's database, which comes only from imported hand histories. I'm sure if they wanted they could build the technology on top of their product to build a HUD just for Bovada, but they choose not to.

Good point on CAPTCHAs. But I believe that a savvy and forward thinking development team can elegantly come up with ways to provide human verification to its players. It would only be a start, because of course a human can be sitting there watching its bot at work, and simply humanize his responses as needed. There just has to be a way, though. But only if Bovada wants that.

I saw that kind of bot mentioned in the last paragraph of the the article I posted earlier, but it does not say much.
http://www.************s.co.uk/onlin...-bots-work.htm
I tried to do a search on this kind but could not find much info...

Regarding human verification that would be a great thing if Bovada came up with a non-intrusive way of doing it. Hopefully they listen. If they do it may bring on more people who now are afraid of the anonymity, and particularly afraid of online high stakes.

Well, that's actually kinda cool.

Gross. There have been specific situations in middle to higher limit games where play is somewhat passive, until the pot swells and it's still multiway, and everyone in the pot suddenly jockeys for the pot like ravenous dogs. Suddenly my aces shrink up, or even stronger hands in certain spots - not because I'm being faced with two bets cold, the way you'd typically get forced out of a pot - they're making some very convincing plays that someone has you beat, and then nothing shows down, or at least the frequency with which we've grown used to seeing showdowns in bloated multiway pots has significantly reduced.

In spots like these there is a razor thin line between grossly overplaying your hand vs the represented range of your opponents, or being overly timid and laying down at the first clue of danger. Small sample size? Of course. I write the hand down, check it out later, and have never once seen anything blatant. Am I simply in tougher games than I realize? Running bad in these spots lately? Who the hell knows, man!

And good god, why am I talking strategy in here? Let me shut the hell up.

There are good arguments for them not to do it as well, both business-wise and grinder-wise.

Ur gross.

With the play at Bovada, either I have never observed a bot or they're donators like everyone else.

I wouldn't be too worried about it.

Question, I didn't realize I needed to "enter" the Punta Cana promotion. I just entered this morning, does anyone know if my play from yesterday (playing a >$5 Punta Cana SNG and earning ~100 player points) will count towards the promotion?

Thanks!

Obviously many have encountered this, but what is up with the weird payout ladder for bigger # tourneys?

I got 30th out of 1200 and only got 4 times my buy in in the $8000 grntd $10 buy in

For some kind of reference, the 30th of the main event last year got 24 times their buy in.

Do different tourneys have more favorable payout ladders?

I've only played maybe 2 or 3 tourneys so I am not trying to claim expertise.

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Your payout is pretty standard. The main event has a lot more runners than 1200, thus 30th place is finishing in a higher percentage of the field than in your tournament. Tournaments are and should be top heavy, if they pay out more to the rest of the players then the final table doesn't mean as much.

just wanted to get this clear, bovada doesn't segregate its player pool like intertops n them right?

They have never stated or implied that they segregate player pools. General consensus is that they do not.

Ok, thanks for the response

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You're comparing a tourney with 1200 runners to a tourney with 6,598 runners in payouts at an exact place?