Farmslicer is one of the best players I have had the privilege to play against, and I highly respect his opinion.

Not sure why you keep bringing him up, he (worried) is also a very good player .. and definitely no troll.

You caught me exaggerating, which is something I am prone to do

I haven't kept perfect records, but these numbers should be pretty close (a SnG player, would rather not say what stakes/type):

Two years ago, my ROI was around 14%, over a sample of about 5,000 games. Last year, it was down to about 10%, over about 3,000 games. I took a break for about 6 months, and then in the last 4 months, my ROI has been -1% over about 1200 games. The rake is destroying me at this point.

I won't try to definitively state that change is 100% to stronger competition, but I believe at least some of it is. Of course, in SnGs, it only takes a couple of regs to completely destroy the games on a site with the traffic of Bovada.

funny thing is i started to relocate my good horses to be able to play on bovada about 3months ago.
Are you guys just complaining about playing against winners for the first time? Like i said previously, everyone i know, including myself, is clearing 10-30k a month at the midstakes with no problem. Games are great. If you can't win stop complaining and just move down or change to an even harder site and become a rakeback grinder. Nobody cares about other people's downswings/upswings.

such a BOSS.... he reloacated his horses so they can play 4 tbles which is about 225 hands per hour or so.Then he decides to post on 2p2 about the amazing games, even after "relocating his horses" you are just some random troll/liar. Post some evidence to back up your claims of being such a BOSS, otherwise you're just some random internet wanna be boss.
These "winners these horses" of yours... they are so good that they need YOU to reloacate them and stake them? Oddly enough most winners don't need stakes nor do they need to relocate so they can play 4 tbles of bovada and they def don't need someone to relocate them. Stop telling lies

In before he says he stakes these "winners" on other sites but they just add 4 tbles of bovada..... cus as we all know bovada is so compatible with others sites and multi tabling

Let's say your horses are amazing, and can make 6 BB/100 at 400NL. 4 tabling will get you ~250 hands/hr. That means that if your horses are amazing, they're making $120/hr. Which means to clear your supposed $30k a month, they would need to play 62 hours a week. If you have horses that are that amazing, and are making $120/hr and that are playing 62 hours a week, then you're the luckiest staker alive (or have the dumbest horses alive). Talk about upswings.

I will never understand why winning players have backers unless there is extreme extenuating circumstances like ftp stole all your money. And if that did happen grind for a month or two and you are rolled again. But I know people who make 6 figures who are backed, I don't get it.

Edit: assuming cash game players

Sometimes they have leaks outside of the poker table which they risk there own bankroll with if they dont have a backer. I have a friend of mine that cant keep 100 dollars in his pocket but is a huge time winner at the poker table, Bac table calls him after he cashes out.

You'd be surprised if you knew how much of the 400+ player pool is staked on most sites. Most are also computer illiterate. 2 out 10 highstakers i have ever dealt with could install HEM/PT by themselves, the rest needed someone to do it for them over teamviewer or it would never work.

@heathen, i dont need you to believe me, im just giving an observation on the current "3months games have been bad" comment. GL to your future endeavour in angry bustoland :>

i crush mid stakes for 10bb/100 on other sites and was looking for a place to play, due to all the talk of bovadas games being amazing, i think i found my place to settle. thanks for the info guys.

Because he seems to have some kind of personal vendetta against me. I highly doubt he is a "very good player" when he's getting run over by "40 vpip" bots that he claims to exist when no one else on bovada is complaining.

I don't deny that the games are getting tougher but that's because of the current U.S poker situation not because of a few posts about bovada being soft. It seems to me that most complainers are long time grinders on bovada and they seem to be outclassed by the new, more competent regs from other sites. I don't wanna sound harsh but thats the reality.

Also, I see you complaining about regs being nitty? Come play at nl2k, and see if you are more profitable playing versus non-nitty regs. I would much rather play on a table with 4 nits and 1 fish than with 4 good solid regs and 1 fish.

i'd actually bet good money that gemco would become a losing player if he moved to canada and had to play nl400 on ipoker/party/stars. Everything he posts sounds like hes from 2007

Worried has made more money than you ever will

I won't disagree with this. I was a long-time breakeven player on Pokerstars, and then about the same on Carbon. Came to Bovada about 2 years ago, and started winning, and winning significantly. And I'm talking about over thousands and thousands of SnGs. And now I'm back to breakeven.

I don't really see most of us complaining, btw. Just stating that I believe that games (at least the ones I'm playing, which are not the ones most people on here are playing) are harder than they were a year or two ago.

I play niche games, mostly. I made a killing in badugi, for example, shortly after it hit carbon. A few months later, it was much, much harder. I play games on Bovada that most regs used to turn their nose up at. Now I believe there are many more regs in those games. Rather than trying to squeeze out small edges against other regs, I try to stay ahead of the regs.

And lol @ the posters (not you, necessarily) that are saying "the games aren't harder, you're just playing against more regular winning players now" as if that somehow invalidates our claims.

I decided i wanted to play in the bovada 100k guaranteed this afternoon the buy in is 150+12 so i go to reload my netspend card i put $180 on it figuring this would be enough to cover the tourney buy in. I put the money on my card and try to put it on bovada and transaction gets denied. I wait a few minutes figure it just hasnt gotten loaded yet try again and again transaction denied so i try a smaller amount $99 and it goes through i look at my netspend account and it show one transaction for $112. Apparently there is a 4.5% fee from bovada then you have to pay another bs fee on netspend's end. So i had to go back and reload another $25 onto my card in total for one 99 deposit and another 63 deposit it cost me

$99 deposit cost me $112.88
$63 deposit cost me $72.20

so to buy in to a $150+12 tournament it cost me $185

God forbid Bovada adds bitcoin...

Frustrating but not a lot you can do. It's probably outlined in Netspend's fee schedule. Hope you cashed!

Yeah netspend sucks. For each $500 I put on the card I can get about $455-470 onto the site.

Well I just made a cash deposit through MoneyGram at Walmart. Just $10 in fees for $600 deposit. Except for having to wait a long time for someone else trying to buy money orders with gift cards, or some other crap that didn't work, it was not a terrible experience.

bodog will also reimburse those fees

They didn't tell me anything about reimbusing fees.

I think they used too but don't anymore..or it might just be western union

I could be wrong, but last time I called and asked them about the reimbursement they said they no longer would reimburse the fee (believe they used to if you deposited $300+).

Bovada lagging for anyone else tonight?

So I was just playing at a 1/2 limit O8 table, and on the river someone bet all in for his remaining $1.25, but it made me "call" for $2! I wonder if anyone at Bovada knows that this is not how all-in bets for less in a limit game really work.