Yes. There are other players that blame their losses or bad runs on the site rigging the games against them. But generally most players understand that losses and or bad beats or runs are just a part of the game that everyone experiences.

life is rigged imo

trust me brother, i definately understand it. - I could very well be naive compared to some of you, but I have faith in my knowledge of poker odds lol. best way to state it

what i'm wondering is, is there something else? my understanding of probability, betting, and just behavior in general is being insulted in a sense and i'm doing my best to dig.
I mean I guess i've already confirmed it, its known that people can exploit the anonymity... Which if thats going on really thats all the edge someone would need. IMO...

dooooooooooood

broooooooooooo

Agreed. By moving outside of equilibrium with ones' sizings and ranges in certain spots, so as to maximally exploit the population tendencies of the player pool of the specific game/stakes you're playing, you can exploit the hell out of the anonymity...that is what you meant right

That's the problem. You think you understand probability. You don't, you are naive, and you shouldn't have any faith in your understanding of poker probabilities. I've played millions of hands, I've had a sample of 800k hands where I was 80bi under EV. I've had friends who were 120bi under EV. I've had a year where it felt like I lost every single hand. Yet every single year, invariably, I make a good living off of poker.

If you actually understood this stuff, you'd realize that no matter what sample you have on Bovada, it's insignificant, and whatever conclusions you're drawing are like saying a coin is rigged after flipping it twice and seeing tails both times.

+1. OP, you don't understand probability. Most people don't, myself included. Look at the major economic failures in the recent past. Experts paid to understand and evaluate these things said they couldn't happen. Look up some Kahneman or Taleb or many others who point out our flaws in these areas. They won't teach you the probabilities you are seeking, but they will help you understand that you don't understand.

Dunning-Krueger effect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning...3Kruger_effect

He can't understand his own ignorance.

This is a decent tool:
http://pokerdope.com/poker-variance-calculator/
There's also a tournament version. I play SnGs, so I'll use that as an example. Let's say you play 100 $10+0.60 SnGs a week, at 9% ROI. I simulated one year, in 2-week blocks. In those 26 two-week blocks, I ranged from -$329 to +$650, just from variance alone. 3 out of the 26 blocks were losing blocks. Obviously, the higher your ROI is, the less losing blocks you'll have.

No your not alone at all in this, and i cant put my finger on it, and no its not being outplayed, its like hmm I dunno what. Its like something is being evened up somewhere and you cant even get out of the gate, there is variance and there is just total weird ****

i understand and appreciate your comment

almost like your fate is predetermined

You can't deposit foreign checks via ATM or app.

and, as much appreciation as i do have for understanding others....

you dont know me, you dont know how well i know probability. so whaa? you think you know it all? I mean you probably do but to blindly point fingers is...

Knowledge of probability in poker is kind of like knowing math. The conclusions derived from their assumptions are almost always the same, because 2+2=4. If you understood probability, you'd have come to the same conclusions as the rest of us, which would have barred you from posting something like that due to an actual understanding of the situation.

So yes, I know you, I know how well you know probability, and whaaa? I don't think I know it all, but I have made several people blind by pointing fingers.

So im kind of stuck in a weird situation. So about a couple of days ago i deposited money into my account and which left my account with a couple of dollars. I then look at my bank account yesterday and notice that the charge has cleared but another charge for the exact same amount was taken and that money was on old that overdraft my account. I email Bovada and they said they only charged me once and i said i see two charges of it on my account then they ask for a jpeg or pdf of it. Then today i was gonna send the jpeg login into my only account and the charge is gone overdraft fee is still there and my account is suddenly just overdraft by the amount of the overdraft fee minus what few dollars i had in there. So i then called my bank and ask them what happened to the charge that was posted and asked for some kind of proof that i was charged twice for the same thing leading me to overdraft my account so somebody could refund me. They said they can't provide that because they don't keep that type of information if the charge was reversed?

So I can't exactly send bovada a bank statement now with the 2nd charge for the same amount vanishing into thin air. Should i just give up on getting a refund and pay the overdraft fee.

I would go to your bank to get the overdraft refunded, not Bovada. Any bank worth it's salt should remove this charge, without hesitation.

Sure you can. If bank accounts in the country the check is from have the same number of digits as accounts in the US. In Canada, they don't. In many other countries, they do (and yes, Bovada sends checks out from more than 1 country).

The mid stakes games are definitely harder and significantly more aggressive which is causing me more variance. I did an analysis of the times my middle or late position opens have been 3bet and its doubled over the last month. Might be statistical static but I'm comfortable saying the games are tougher. I might drop back down to 200NL to be honest.

But ya don't feel bad, I haven't made any money this month and I've been playing 8 hours a day for 10 days

It is predetermined as is in live poker as well. Once the cards are shuffled the cards will run out the way they are going to run out and bad players will get their money in bad and win sometimes. Now whether or not somehow it can be manipulated I'm sure it could, but is it? I don't know. Nobody can say for certain one way or another. There has and always will be some degree of cheating in poker and for people to say there's no way are as naive as those who think all online poker is rigged. You have to be open minded on the subject. There have been times when I'm running horribly that I have questioned the same thing you're questioning now. I've had a guy who was playing solid for 3 hours call a huge bet with a gutshot 250 BB's deep in 4 bet pot and bink. Did he know it was coming? I guess its possible, probably unlikely. I also have people get it in deep with all kinds of trash and my hand holds up for the most part. Eventually the runbad ends and I'd be winning again. Its best to work on your game a lot during these times. I honestly think you're just running super bad and things will turn around. There is nothing wrong with questioning it though.

lol, funny after all this talk I get up on bovada today for 2$ knockout, am final table atm

yo maleficus ur no help. thanks

C'mon Sally, clean the sand out of your vag and start 4 betting.

they will adjust and start 5betting double the amount

Has anyone had success reporting collusion? Based on the quality of support, I'm guessing I'll never see that money again, and never hear from Bovada ever again?