Why are my depositor freeroll tickets gone all of a sudden?

I know earlier in this thread (too lazy to find it) someone calculated how much you would have to lose in the casino in order to move up levels (it obv wasn't worth it). Out of curiosity, what game was that assuming we played? Just curious if perfect BJ strategy makes it worth it to move up levels. I'm sure playing the slots isn't worth it.

EDIT: And I see a Wednesday deposit code where you get 20% back on losses up to $20. I'm not optimistic, I just want to do my due diligence. I'm curious if you can combine a bunch of offers to actually make it worth it.

@888rep

What do you think about just giving us the old rewards system back?

Seems like everyone loved that one =)

LOL!We didnt really love it ,they had a very bad VIP System and they still have one of the highest rake in the industry! It was a compromise that I ( we?) thought its not gonna be worse and keept playing there. Yes the site was nice to play but now with this new VIP system ( lol VIP ) its just a waste of time ...

And another thing is that they dont even care to improve their software. They dont wannt to make changes to be a win-win for both sides! Just take a look at the JP table , now that the JP is low we have to wait 3 weeks to have some decent action. I suggested a new JP system but they dont care.I can remeber 4-6 weeks ago when 888Rep said that they have other priorities and concerns... hahaha now i know what he was saying ! They worked very intens on the new VIP programm. And if you read this whole Thread there were a lot damn good suggestions , but none was even taking in
consideration.

PS: .... and i could write pages about the disconnecting problems they had in the past where a lot of people lost a ton of money and in compensation they got Freeroll MTT tickets with an EV of 10cents or so.... and and and !

Bottom line is poker is not important to them obviously. Casino games/sports betting are where the profits are in their eyes.

So get used to it, I guess. If you don't like it leave the site, that's your only option.

Complaining is pointless.

No it is not as simple as that. There is a reason for why rakeback was created in the first place and there is a reason for why Stars rised to be by far the biggest network in the industry. The sites just have forgot it since they are expeced to show growth in a market who hasn't got any prospects to do so. The change of strategies is happening because there is panic in the poker business not because they make any sense.
Many of us rakes as much as 100 recreational players do in a month. It doesn't matter for the network if the recreational players keeps their money longer since:

a) Most of the recreational players won't spend a lot more time playing poker anyways since they probably have better things to do most of the time.
b) Less tables are started since grinders are the ones starting them.
c) The grinders volume of rake is a huge share of the overall volume of rake.

888:s new concept is just going to fly if they can attract enough recreational players to offset the grinders loss of rakeback. Without the grinders the new system will inevitably collapse since the cost of losing a grinder is way too high and the cost of recruiting a new player is also very high. 888 poker is trying to create a "healthier" ecosystem but I don't give them much hope.

I already play at 6 networks but 888 is my number one network. It will only continue to be so if my winrate including rakeback is higher than on the other networks it is as simple as that. That puts 888 on a lot of pressure attracting enough fish for me to be able to do so.

On a sidenote.The 888 club is a big of a joke as it gets. I play 2/4 to 15/30 Limit and lots of HU. It takes me around 15-30 minutes to collect my points and then I have to wait 5 or 6 days to move up a level. It is blatantly obvious that I will remember how VIP:s are treated by 888 and that it will effect me whenever it is a close decision between which tables on which networks it is best to play on.

888 rep

I got a scratchcard for $10 free casino play. I bet $8 of the $10 freeplay (since I already made the max of $10) and then I got 30 bonus points. Is this not enough to release the funds? Will the winnings combine into my poker account automatically?

No bonuscode "wildsale" this month?

The old system was one of the worst in the industry in terms of RB ; this one is beyond ridicule and quite frankly, a slap in the face coupled with cringe-worthy insults of how they view our unworthiness... We only previously played on this site because it is soft as ****. But their new loyalty schemes has clearly transgressed what is acceptable.

Of course, leaving the site is by far the best option, and I would love to see a mass exodus, 888 failing and winding up alone on its greedy/corporate ass

Complaining feels great and one of the only meager options left to us after they ****ed us in the ass and left us powerless. After they cut off my 2016 path to VIP, I do feel entitled to come here and tilt-release

Well the truth is ****ing regs in the ass isn't such a great idea they think it is. Way to many sites lately collapsed because of such a policy. Recent example with FTP and their brilliant ideas. Granted the games were great because not so many regs (very few knew that) but it just wasn't enough to overcome the collapse in traffic. Same for the merge network that lost like 80% of their traffic with their regs are bad policy.
Same for Party poker with their brilliant ideas like segregation with previous managment. Only like last 1 year with new managment they have slowly started to reverse the trend. But they lost like 2/3 of the traffic and probably a lot of it is long gone and not comming back.

I agree, those are solid examples. I enjoyed watching the Party downward spiral a few years back but, like you mentioned, a change in their support/willingness to communicate and improve has made them endearing once again. Unfortunately, given 888's historical letdowns in major areas such as disconnections, communication issues, poor support and unwillingness to tackle down seating scripts, camping and bots, the future of this site is quite bleak... Beginning of 2017 (when SNE and VIP expire) will be a good time to assess the downfall of this site. And frankly, I want to see them crash and burn

Well the big problem is the same as it was with Party. The traffic already collapsed heavily the hours I play (asia time). But what I am scared it will be the same it was with Party when they lost huge amount of traffic and got so much bad publicity due to segregation yet till the end despite losing like 2/3 of the traffic they hadn't had balls to admit that they ****ed up. Normally I couldn't care less but P* has already like 80%+ traffic and the rest just do everything to destroy their market share. Seeing the only competitor with a reasonable market share doing something like that is heartbreaking.

BTW if you look at the sites that grow nowadays Unibet,Microgaming,Winning Network,Chico Network (With notable exception of Bodog) they all are at least neutral toward regs and offer some rakeback in one form or another. The sites that took hostile stance towards regs (FTP,Merge Network,Party in the past) they all collapsed in terms of their market share.
And of course they had no balls to admit their mistakes (e.g. FTP defending their new strategy all till the end)

I will need your poker user name so this can be checked out for you.

8 days active in a row for 2.9$. Good Job 888

Hold on ! One more point and you will get the scratch card ! 5$ Casino Slots to play with an EV of max 5$ ! ( for that you payed like 300$ rake)

this is really terrible. Completely out of the muck.

Any comments from 888 rep ?

Rep , can you tell us what are "be active" requirements at 130th , 150th and 200nd levels?

I wanna know how many YEARS will it take to reach level 250 for example


I was hoping that at some point there will be level in which raking goal amount will take exactly ~3-4 days.At this point it would be 10% RB set.But seeing as amount of "be active" grows,im not sure this point is reachable at all

Could someone please clarify how the 'casino free plays' work.

I just got a $5 one, took it to roulette & doubled. The winnings show in my casino cashier but not my poker cashier. I'm assuming I need to wager a certain amount before my winnings become eligible for poker use/ withdrawal? How do I find out the exact wager amount & keep track of this in lobby?

Thanks

The´Be active´challenge will not necessarily continue to grow. The challenges are dynamic and may change along the way.

I was genuinely happy last week when I actually got a straight answer from you. Was hoping it a change in company policy. I guess it was just a one time thing, back to the stupid vague answers that mislead your customers because you don't want to tell the truth.

yeah
i would still like to hear answer for

The challenges are dynamic so you will have to reach that level first to see what requirements you need.

What does it even mean 'challenges are dynamic'?

It means that your challenges at level X are not the same as my challenges on the same level.

You get screwed in many different ways.