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https://bitbcash.com/

We decided it was time for an updated thread - old thread here.

A lot has changed at bitB in the last years. We are now confident we offer the best CFP on the planet for anyone looking to play highstakes cash games.

The majority of our coaches now play the highest stakes on the internet, and you can find us holding lobbies across all major networks when we are online, and even some students are the bosses of their respective sites.

Coaches:

George 'you-mad-br0' Froggatt

2021 +>500k including untracked, 5.1bb/100:



2020 +280k including untracked, 5.7bb/100:



Darrell 'FourSixFour' Goh

5.3bb/100 battling the very highest toughest games on the internet



Patrick 'psek1' Sekinger

Last 24 months, +$364k



youseffahmed

2021 as coach - +305k including untracked



2020 as student +105k including untracked, 5.8bb/100 -



I'm-iyh-rn

2021 as a coach +135k including rakeback



2020 as student +57k, 5bb/100



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Students Results Jan 2020- September 2021

+$1,700,000
+4.1bb/100 pre rakeback
+7bb/100 with rakeback
Average of 14 students in this time




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What do you offer?

We offer year-long coaching for profit deals for 200nl+ players who are ready and willing to put in the work required to climb through the stakes.

Our vision for bitB cash is always a small close knit group of players with the group acting as an extension of the coaches study and progress, building long term relationships and bringing players through the stakes, sharing all the soft skills that contribute to being a successful poker professional.
We will never have a big group (current active students has been <20 for last two years).
We all play highstakes daily, our discord server has makeboifin occasionally offering insight and some other big name surprise highstakes VIP members. bitB is the most elite community to study poker, and we are approach the game very differently any other group we are aware of.
We aren't optimizing students strategies to crush smallstakes, we are providing students with the baselines and fundamental understandings to successfully win at highstakes.

This doesn't mean copying PIO, it doesn't mean blindly following MDA generated strategies, it means using all the tools available to us to build the strategy that captures the most EV and makes us the most money at the tables.

If your application to join the team is successful, we will start out with a database review to identify the main areas you need to improve. We will use this as the basis for a specific plan to improve your game, one area at a time. You are guaranteed to receive at least 1 individual coaching session per month, and we run 2 group coaching sessions per week.
We have an active structured discord server where we discuss hands daily with strategic guidelines at all common nodes, plus you will get access the bitbcash.com member's area, which contains over 150 classroom style strategy videos (including 6 from makeboifin!).

Additionally, you receive:

- Access to livestreams of coaches playing and studying, normally at least once a week
- PIO parameters for all possible spots and a variety of rake structures
- Population data for all nodes
- Liquidity for higher games where we judge that you are outperforming your current stake level
- Access to private industry leading rakeback deals

What are the terms of the deal?

Our deals last for 12 months and the default split is 50/50 for the first 10k of winnings, 60:40 in the students favour thereafter, 500k hands.
As far as we are aware this is industry leading amongst serious CFPs.
Furthermore, we tend to prefer to aggressively roll our side of the profit until the end of the deal to support the student in climbing the stakes and building his bankroll.

It is a big commitment, but our results prove that our process works, and the majority of our students resign to remain in the group in some form.

What do you expect from students?

Transparency
Communication
Dedication

Many people are trying to rise through the stakes, it is not easy and no-one can do it for you. All the coaches realize the value of their time and there is no easy 'one-size-fits-all' strategy that will crush meaningful stakes. However, we can help you use your time more efficiently, to study and work on the areas that will increase your bottom line the fastest, and to navigate through the mass of information now available so you can identify what matters. This kind of approach will increase your EV quickly and give you the decision-making skills required to succeed at poker both now and long into the future.

What will boost my chances of being accepted onto the team?

Volume
Winrate
Stakes (realistically 200nl+)
References
Good english skills
Access to closed pools, particularly American regulated sites
Consistency

I'm interested, how can I apply?

https://bitb-staking.com/apply-cash/ - Please fill out the application form here in as much detail as you feel is appropriate and we'll get back to you.

Thanks for taking the time to read the thread, best of luck!

OP was getting quite long, but obviously also if you are interested in joining a CFP you should care about their track record.

In addition to the students turned coaches shared in the OP, here is a sample of students results from the last year:


D from USA, starting from 100nl, winnings $350k. First year playing full time poker:



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S from Belgium, b/e over 1.4 million hands prior to joining:



+$72k in 4 months since joining



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T from UK, joined bitB at 25nl, 11bb/100, +$76k last year:



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J from Finland, + 30k in 2019, +98k in 2020, +130k post rb in 2021:





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G from UK, first 6 months at bitB:



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Many more results can be found in our old thread or on our twitter.

Will update this and i didnt get asked to comment but feel like i should give a short one:

If anyone has followed my blog you would know that ive always wanted to become a 1k reg and that ive failed a couple of times when shot taking before. i felt totally out of my depth and confidence was shot so i think i took the best possible step in my poker career and joined bitb last year. It becomes very obvious within the first month youre there that the coaches are multiple levels above what you think you know about poker. (lol me thinking i might be close to them before i first joined ) They dont waste time going down pointless pio rabbit holes that you often see from c4p/coaching videos and streamers. They give you a solid gameplan framework + fundamentals but i like that they are open if you want to play a different strat here or there and not get bogged down in irrelevant details that you see throughout the poker discord groups. They certainly dont hold back when offering hh advice. And Its very obvious that the coaches in the title are some of the best regs around and i think every hsnl reg would agree. Special shoutout to ymb/PE who goes above and beyond with bitb. The hours and dedication he has to it is on another level and responds to every hh posted (whether youre playing 100nl or 2k) in a way which is v.technical but easy to digest and learn. I 100% recommend applying. The track record is v.impressive

Safe to say that ive become a solid 1k reg given results below Zero bumhunting with table starting every session. This is including a 40-50k$ downswing at 2knl in december so its not all sunrun

This is "D" from USA here. Figured I would say a few words about bitB cash and the impact the group has had on me since I joined back in March 2021. I was not asked to do this fwiw.

I started out as your everyday run of the mill bad reg. So bad that my initial application to the group was denied back in December 2020 as my results weren't up to the level that bitB was looking for. Luckily for me I had shown that I was willing to put the work in, and a couple of months later I was accepted into the group.

From the get go the group challenged me in the sense that I knew I was nowhere near as good as the other students/coaches. This really motivated me to work hard in order to get to that level. What was awesome is that I was never treated any differently compared to the other students despite me being a much weaker player. Each coach and student in the group was very supportive and helpful in answering any question that I had, no matter how remedial it was. Seeing how down to earth some of the best players in the world are was very eye opening to me and extremely helpful. Also to me it's extremely cool to read hand histories in the High Stakes thread every day, and see someone in the bitB cash discord server in a majority of the hands. If anything this just proves that the bitB process works.

The bitB process is one that doesn't rely strictly on MDA analysis or from Piosolver outputs. The whole ideology is to teach the students how the coaches approach the game, using their own experiences that got them to the highest stakes online in the world. As a student, it is very reassuring to know that when I have a question or I am unsure about anything, I can ask someone who is at the top of the game and that they will give me a high quality answer. I can say I have learned a ton from the coaches on where we gain the most EV in poker, and how to go about studying so that my strategy captures as much EV as possible while also being something I can execute in game.

I started out 2021 playing 100nl, now I play up to 2knl on an American facing site and am considered one of, if not the best reg on my site. I cannot say my results are typical, but I am proof that if you are willing to put in the work and buy into what you are being told, that bitB Cash can get you to your goals.

I send apply , but i haven't received mail .
Can u contact me ?
spartaco988@gmail.com

Hi all, I am a student with bitB and I have just hit my 6month mark in my contract with bitB Cash and I offered at my halfway point to write a testimonial of my experience so far;

At my six month period in my contract, I have offered to write my own personal testimonial about my experience up to this point in the CFP. A little bit about myself, I am a uni student in the US who has been playing poker more seriously now for about 18 months. I joined bitB in hopes of igniting the possibility to take this full time after school.

When I joined bitB, I was definitely nervous. I had joined after being in another CFP and so being back to “square one” was not the most wonderful spot. When I started, the stakes I was playing were a mix of 100nl and 200nl and was a small winner, just about 3-3.5bb/100 at 200 over a healthy sample. I definitely knew I had a long journey ahead in terms of learning, I just never realized how long, and how poorly I was technically (spoiler: still bad, but now a structured, manageable bad My first session was a DB review session to look for stats and leaks, and the amount I was able to learn about theory as well as what to work on now was massive for my success. I instantly started to study and put in more hours than I had before because there was now a study structure that I was able to follow and each day I knew around how much and what I would study for the day. Adding that little structure alone I believe kick started my bitB journey and led to future successes that I have been able to achieve relatively speaking. Fast forward to today, I am playing up to 1knl and pushing myself to play as much as I can between 500nl and 1knl responsibly to assert myself in these games. I have a strict study routine that I now follow and has helped me tremendously stay consistent to off table work, something I think while it seems obvious is important, is still underutilized, and bitB has had a huge impact in how effectively I study now compared to 6 months ago, and feel my processes and overall outlook are able to back up my claim that bitB has been paramount in my success as a poker player. I have a lot to owe to them on a loyal level as they have invested a lot of time and resources in making sure I am able to succeed, and they could have used that time and resources on someone or something else that is already established.


Above are my results on tracked sites since being in the CFP, +68k; but enough about my personal stuff as this post is also a reflection of things I hear as it pertains to CFPs, bitB in particular, and I am going to give my thoughts on a few things I feel are important to clarify/give my 2c on in the event anyone is considering any CFP or are pessimistic as I read a bit of 2+2 and have seen these criticisms and concerns:

I think first and foremost, doing your own due diligence before joining is the biggest factor in whether you are going to get the value you want out of a deal. If you ignore doing your own leg work ahead, you can be in a situation that is detrimental to your success, not paramount. I wanted to preface that for anyone reading as it is a commitment to join a CFP, please, I implore you to not go in blind.

Criticism/concern #1: bitB offers 1 hour of coaching per month
This is a fact, in the standard contract, which is also on bitB’s site https://bitbcash.com/poker-coaching-for-profits/
BUT, this is where due diligence can be huge: all of the coaches in bitB play full time themselves, at high stakes (talking 2k+), and the level of coaching from them is the highest I have received. I have had multiple sessions with varying coaches, and all of them have been eye-opening. Everything from specific nodes to a database review, it always gives a ton of insight on what to work on. This is another reason I feel an hour is sufficient and not a point I feel is refutable (and often it goes to 1.5, so do with that as you will). To truly work on a spot that you see is a clear leak takes days, even weeks. This is something I think can be largely overlooked, you can experience the best coaching in the world, but if you are not putting in any consistent time to reinforce what you are learning, then it means zero and you are not going to get any better. CFPs, even bitB which as you can probably tell by now I have in very high regard, are not worth anything without you putting in any amount of time and hard work if you come in with the expectation that it is a magic pill; you sign a contract and auto win at low - mid - or high stakes. Another extension of this is that bitB is going to give you the tools and resources to construct and create a game plan that you can implement, but that only gets created over time and with a good amount of time off table and in the discord. A theme for the coaching should always be quality >>> quantity

Criticism #2: CFPs are not worth the chop

This is one I have never quite understood, but will discuss v briefly. My mindset is always if they can double my hourly,I am freerolling the coaching cost, anything above it is gravy. It is also an investment in yourself, as you should be loads better than you came in with, so me paying an amount to bitB for the year to then possibly set myself up for a durable, profitable career, I do not see where it can be -ev by any means. With bitB, you are given a network of some of the absolute best poker players on the planet, as well as other students all who have the same motivation as yourself in becoming the best poker player you can. In a game that is as isolating as online poker, that has come to be a vital part in success to have that community. Now I am speaking from my experience in bitB, and their chops are continuous, meaning while you settle each month, it rolls over month to month. Meaning if you win 10k month one but lose 10k month two, you are net 0 and have essentially received free coaching.

Not really concern but being #3: What else is there to offer?

Alongside everything I have written above, they also offer:
2 group coaching sessions a week on average, normally building off of topics they are seeing as consistent leaks or important to teach everyone
A private library of study material, which is massive as there are members from all around the world therefore GC can happen at times when I am sleeping. They do a good job at changing times around!
A discord that is very active which can break down hand reviews,talk about mindset, or just shoot the **** sometimes. A part of bitB that was unexpected is how connected the small group can feel since day in and day out you are interacting with the same people.
Live studying sessions from the coaches, which is exactly what it sounds like, you watch them go through hands they are reviewing or scripts, and can gain insight on how to study.

I am not part of the interviewing process of course, so I will not go into who should join or whatever, but what I can say is if you are shopping around for CFPs and want the best value, I would highly recommend bitB and giving them a chance to see if expectations align.

I know this may have seemed like it turned into an infomercial for bitB and it was not exactly my intention, but I feel this is the level of satisfaction that can be reached when motivations align and both parties are on the same wavelength. I had expectations that were outlined and met without discussion, and then I would like to believe they have seen me as a valuable student as well an improving poker player that has over time added some value to the CFP as a whole and met expectations that they have had for me.

Would anyone work a real job for say 50k a year and spend 25k on poker coaching? I dont think so. You are essentially agreeing to do that by joining a CFP. Also, the student is getting freerolled if you are not on a 100% stake. You might not win at all and lose alot of money. Another horrible issue with CFP is the student does all the work. Do you really want to work 1500 hours in a year and give your coach 750 hours of your pay. CFP is basically slave labor. Another problem is, the more people they coach the less valuable the teachings become. Year after year, your CFP keeps enrolling new students teaching them the same things they taught you, diluting the value of their coaching, which is just terrible because the student paid 1/2 their earnings for entire year.

Coaching for 1/2 your profits for entire year is amazing business model for your coaches, especially if they are not staking you. They can just collect money from people on the good side of variance, and while losers lose 100% of their money. Run hot, we win 50%, run cold/suck/lose the student loses 100% of the money. The entire stable is getting freerolled so hard. One more thing, who even needs to play poker, if you have an army of people playing poker all year sending you 1/2 their winnings. CFP stable is the make-your-coach-rich business model. Why would you agree to that?

There are plenty of other ways to get good at poker. I certainly dont recommend a CFP. By the way, who coached your coach? Was it G-d? Good Luck!

You clearly didn't read the post above which covered most of your points but I'll humour you anyway for a few minutes.

Who coached your coach was it god?

All of our coaches were part of a CFP themselves and paid a large amount of the money at the time to their coach, then became various variations of top high stakes players due to the progress they made during the deal.
For full disclosure:

Myself - Zero11011
D7 - Zero11011
FourSixFour - RayJing
Makeboifin - internet
ishter - Myself
Youseffahmed - bitB
Ignas - bitB

Coaching for 1/2 your profits for entire year is amazing business model for your coaches, especially if they are not staking you. They can just collect money from people on the good side of variance, and while losers lose 100% of their money. Run hot, we win 50%, run cold/suck/lose the student loses 100% of the money. The entire stable is getting freerolled so hard.

Imagine you are getting coaching from 464. His table hourly has been over $750 for the last few years. If he sold private coaching he would be by a long way the best poker player doing so, and could charge significantly more than this amount. Same question for makeboifin but even more extreme
The same things apply to all our coaches, disregarding the value of information. The freeroll argument is redundant, even disregarding the fact that we aggresively roll our side of the profits to allow student for higher stakes and often buy action in higher games.

Another horrible issue with CFP is the student does all the work.

??? These are just random words really and patently untrue, as anyone in bitB would testify

CFP stable is the make-your-coach-rich business model

All of us have made many multiples more from playing than CFP. CFP for me was an extension of my study.
It is exceptionally unlikely we will accept more than 5 students before the end of the year, and some of the people we decline will definitely be because we don't think they would get value from the deal. We have 6 active coaches.
It's somewhat obvious that if we were trying to milk max EV this would not be our approach.

Year after year, your CFP keeps enrolling new students teaching them the same things they taught you, diluting the value of their coaching, which is just terrible because the student paid 1/2 their earnings for entire year.


Noone pays half their earnings, so not sure where you got that from.
We have 20 students maximum, so even if we taught the same stuff there is limited dilution.
Each year we improve and pass on that improvement anyway.


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I'm not sure why I dignified such a post with an answer when you haven't done any research whatsoever, but a few more bullet points for you:

- Noone has left bitB in over a year when given the option to resign on a new deal, or leave the group
- People who sign up for bitB and pay huge amounts of money are extremely happy to volunteer to post positive reviews, in addition to remaining in the group
- The majority of HS poker players were in CFPs at some point

You talk a lot about there being plenty of ways to get good at poker, which is true, but CFP is a very legitimate path to success - it's not correct for some people, and we try to make sure those people don't find their way into our CFP in the first place, working with an unhappy student is never enjoyable and none of us need to spend our lives doing things we don't enjoy.


I would also recommend for your own growth that holding such strong opinions about things you are not well educated on is harmful to progress.
As a simple razor, consider that some of the very best (dudd1, makeboifin), are happy to go on the public record and attribute a large portion of their success to CFPs with no vested interest or incentive whatsoever to do so.
These are extremely intelligent rational people, who have made it to the very top of the poker ladder.
It's probable that their opinion should at least hold enough weight for you that you stop posting on forums that CFP is slave labour