has bluffthespot ever sold a library of sims via google drive then deleted those sims and put them behind a different paywall?

and then fraudulently advertised the library as still containing the sims that were relocated behind a different paywall?

Not as far as I know, but they do lock you into million hand volume contracts while delivering (what I perceive to be) a very inferior product.

You’re comparing a small change in a $250 product to a sharecropping scam. I submitted a sample to B TS where i was crushing 200nl and 500nl on ignition. I had to negotiate them down to a 850k hand contract with a 60/40 split for just coaching (no staking). For 4 tabling Reg tables on ignition this would be a 3-4 year contract. Pre split i would almost certainly make less money for the first couple years as giving 40% of my income would make moving up stakes near impossible. It’s such a horrible deal i don’t even think it’s unethical for their students to ghost them after getting the coaching they wanted.

This Thomas guy is just an immature kid with his first business entering a industry with a long history of ripping off its customers.

maybe if you are crushing nl500 dont apply to a CFP xd?

Should probably change their marketing if the stable only caters to low stakes students. The coaching profiles indicating they started their contract at 200nl seems like a good place to start.

This is still a trash deal for struggling low stakes players. It’s not like it’s easier for them to move up in stakes playing their own roll but giving up 50% of their income. The only difference is they are desperate and don’t know any better.

if u dont like the deal...have u tried not signing and agreeing to it? its not like theyre changing the terms half way through.

seems pretty stupid to compare to someone literally stealing $ and content from people after they paid it.

+1

If Thomas really is pulling products that people payed for isn't that illegal? Then again amazon has the legal right to delete any Ebook you brought from them so im not sure.

It's illegal, but there's no recourse since everyone paid in btc, and the dollar amount is too small to hire an attorney.

If Thomas is studying to be a doctor, running a large scam is something that will prevent you from getting a medical license (at least in the US).

Though I didn't buy any of his products and only downloaded free stuff, from what I understand he removed new preflop ranges because they were being pirated in other channels, and he passed them for the payed preflop viewer. Which is goinng to be free for all in a few weeks time.

Seems reasonable, though I also notice the irony of criticizing in the past people who sell expensive poker courses that are then pirated and sold on discord, but now it's happening the same with his sims. Funny how the world works eh?

Selling sims in 2021 ahahahahaha, im dying, who the hell evan buys that trash

He removed all of the preflop sims which he continues to advertise as bundled in EA2021, and presumably has no intention of delivering the remaining preflop sims which were included in the purchase. How could this possibly be anything other than fraud?

Additionally, he promises to remove access to all of his paid content from any user who remains a member of Overbet the Turn, a discord with substantial user overlap with the Zenith discord.

Unbelievable to me that anybody thinks this is reasonable. This is very clearly fraudulent and unethical.

dude, theres literally free preflop sims offered evan by gto wizzard, who teh fk pays for that lol

I just confirmed this by joining their discord and seeing it in the announcements channel.

Thomas said: "@everyone I have no interest in dealing with trolls. OBT is filled with them. If you are in the OBT group, you will be banned from Zenith and your Zenith account will be deleted. You have 7 days to leave the OBT group. No refunds."

That's all I need to know to consider him a scumbag.

Maybe he had some kind of brain meltdown?

yes that's why Showofforce, taxhere, BBisick, jimmy duraide, etc. etc. all came out of bts? Funny how you can produce multiple people into 10knl crushers and still be called scam since you give 5nl players bad contract

Do you know what stakes those guys were playing when they were with BTS?

From what I've heard of CFP, it can be really tough to make any real progress if you're playing micro stakes, but maybe it's better at small to mid stakes and higher??

they were all playing 50-200nl afaik and made it to high stakes after CFP

And yeah I'm sure the microstakes contracts are shitty and they give you bad coaches but that doesn't mean the whole organization is a scam haha.

Agreed

if you cant get from micro to 50-100 on your own what are you doing with a cfp??? if you cannot do that there is no way someone can teach you to beat midstakes+

if you breakeven at 100nl or something i get that cfp can notch you up two stakes and it be worth the investment

Apparently, Zenith has scammed or ripped off about 10-20 people, including revoking access to a server that was paid for in advance. Beware of doing business with Thomas Pinnock.

I was banned from Zenith discord as well. I asked Thomas Pinnock, in his Ask Thomas Channel, if he had any decent size sample with results. Thomas didn't reply to my question. I was bashed by members in the group for asking such a question. This was preceding a ban by Josh, another Zenith Poker coach.

He was doing some NL25 challenge on Ignition a while back, how did that end?

Just posting to confirm that a big pile of people have had access to paid content revoked due to some random internet drama.

Pinnock and Zenith Poker are scamming people in the poker community whose only "crime" is to be a member of a particular discord. Completely unjustified, absurd, and straight up scamming.

Regardless of quality it seems clear that everyone should stay away from Zenith brand, Pinnock, and those who closely associate with him. Maybe enjoy the free content but certainly don't buy anything.