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Old 07-16-2012, 08:15 PM   #1
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WSOP Results for Top Players. 27.30% ROI

It was a slow day for me today, so I decided to waste a few hours compiling some statistics on some WSOP players. I used the $25K Fantasy League to generate the player list to be analyzed. While this list may not necessarily represent the “top 88” tournament players, it is unquestionably a strong group of tournament players. I included all WSOP events in the data, with the exception of the $1MM One-Drop Event (that tourney seemed like a “one-off exhibition”, rather than a tournament for the general player pool, so I did not include it). I’ll leave it up to you to draw your own conclusions about what the results indicate about tournament play, but here are a few interesting highlights:

• Overall Combined ROI: 24.11%
• 26 players profitable for the series, 62 unprofitable
• Most events played: 48, George Lind (also with the biggest loss, -$203,020)
• Most Cashes: 9, Joe Tehan (overall series loss of $13,900)
• Most Event Played without a cash: 24, Alexander Kostritsyn
• Highest Cash Percentage: 60%, Daniel Alaei (6 of 10)

Combined Buy-Ins: $10,749,000
Combined Cashes: $13,340,230


Disclaimer: I used the wsopdb.com website for tournament buy in data, and thehendonmob.com player database for cashing results. I compiled the data quickly by hand, so it’s possible some minor errors may have occurred. Enjoy!



Combined Buy-Ins: $10,749,000
Combined Cashes: $13,340,230

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OK Gang. I have just completed updating the spreadsheet to account for the missing buy in totals for events 37 and 42. God I hope that is it. Thanks for everyone who helped proof this thing. These final numbers should be awfully close, if not exactly accurate. Once again, the updated spreadsheet is at:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...mNTBzSUE#gid=0

To correct my page 1 post of highlights:

• Overall Combined ROI: 27.30%
• 27 players profitable for the series, 59 unprofitable (2 DNP)
• Most events played: 50, George Lind (also with the biggest loss, -$208,020)
• Most Cashes: 9, Joe Tehan (overall series loss of $16,400)
• Most Event Played without a cash: 13, Sam Trickett*
• Highest Cash Percentage: 36.4%, David ODB Baker (8 of 22)

* - did cash in the One-Drop

Combined Buy-Ins: $10,674,000
Combined Cashes: $13,587,661

Last edited by Mike Haven; 07-21-2012 at 11:21 AM. Reason: Title changed; corrected numbers added
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Old 07-16-2012, 08:18 PM   #2
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re: WSOP Results for Top Players. 30.65% ROI

Brutal series for Bonomo.
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Old 07-16-2012, 08:19 PM   #3
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hahaha and I was wondering why I haven't seen much of kostritsyn this year

also ouch at george lind, sabic, volpe,

not a good year for internet wizards from pokerstars
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Old 07-16-2012, 08:20 PM   #4
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cool story bro...

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Old 07-16-2012, 08:26 PM   #5
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re: WSOP Results for Top Players. 30.65% ROI

nicely done

Paul Volpe stat changed
just busted 20th for $294,601
-10k buy-in
$284,601
- his loses on your chart
and his is
+$176,775
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Old 07-16-2012, 08:26 PM   #6
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I accidentally cut off the bottom which showed the totals. Here they are:

Combined Buy-Ins: $10,749,000
Combined Cashes: $13,340,230
The $1million Deeb won needs to count especially considering the caliber of the field and that it was "only" $25k. Also a few of those people cashed in main big, Paul Volpe for one.
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Old 07-16-2012, 08:28 PM   #7
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re: WSOP Results for Top Players. 30.65% ROI

I thought Kostritsyn sat out the entire world series as he just had a kid. I'd be shocked if that number of events/buy-ins is close to accurate. I thought he was closer to 0 events played.

This list shows number of events played on it.
http://www.25kfantasy.com/playerList.php
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Old 07-16-2012, 08:35 PM   #8
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nicely done

Paul Volpe stat changed
just busted 20th for $294,601
-10k buy-in
$284,601
- his loses on your chart
and his is
+$176,775
oops on Volpe. You are correct. ROI up to 26.85% combined. Will fix..
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Old 07-16-2012, 08:41 PM   #9
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i am sebastien sabic but i don't think I am down 120k given i didn't step foot in vegas
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Old 07-16-2012, 08:43 PM   #10
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i am sebastien sabic but i don't think I am down 120k given i didn't step foot in vegas
someone must have hacked your account!
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Old 07-16-2012, 08:43 PM   #11
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Seidel just referenced this thread on his twitter..

By the way...take out the top 3 people on the list and their running in the red interesting

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Old 07-16-2012, 08:50 PM   #12
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i am sebastien sabic but i don't think I am down 120k given i didn't step foot in vegas
Op got a few 2011s in the list I think.
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Old 07-16-2012, 08:50 PM   #13
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Since we are already off by over 300K in lossses just on Sabic and Kostritsyn alone, maybe we should delete this thread and post it again when the numbers are somewhat accurate.
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Old 07-16-2012, 08:53 PM   #14
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i am sebastien sabic but i don't think I am down 120k given i didn't step foot in vegas
Oops again.. sorry. Looks like I picked up your 2011 buyins by mistake. You are correct, you did not play the 2012 WSOP.. .. I will remove and repost soon.
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Old 07-16-2012, 08:58 PM   #15
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i am sebastien sabic but i don't think I am down 120k given i didn't step foot in vegas
wow...that can only mean you are an extremely bad player to lose that much and not even be in vegas during WSOP...either that or hacked account, but both make perfect sense!
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Old 07-16-2012, 08:59 PM   #16
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Since we are already off by over 300K in lossses just on Sabic and Kostritsyn alone, maybe we should delete this thread and post it again when the numbers are somewhat accurate.
this...BIG mistakes so far...double check your stats OP cuz it really is interesting...
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Old 07-16-2012, 08:59 PM   #17
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Any chance we can get this list over a 10y span?

This would be wonderful if we could make the size so large that we could prove the profitability.

Is the any way we can get all the buy ins and names in some sort of spread sheet?
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Old 07-16-2012, 09:02 PM   #18
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Just wanna say thanks for doing this!
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Old 07-16-2012, 09:05 PM   #19
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Sorry for the previous errors on Volpe, Sabic and Kostritsyn. My bad. Volpe just cashed in the Main, and Sabic and K. didn't play in 2012. I have updated the spreadsheet. Hopefully that was it..

Mods: i'm past the 30 minute edit allowance, so if you can change the title to reflect the new 30.65% ROI and move the new chart to the front, feel free..

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Old 07-16-2012, 09:08 PM   #20
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i am sebastien sabic but i don't think I am down 120k given i didn't step foot in vegas
In before multi-accounting allegations.

EDIT: Already been said. Gutted.
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Old 07-16-2012, 09:25 PM   #21
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Shannon Shorr now best player not to have a bracelet? Really, how many people have the live earnings of this guy with so little hype? The guy also has very nice online MTT earnings.

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Old 07-16-2012, 09:29 PM   #22
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This is awesome, great job!

Now we know why Arieh decided to quit poker after the WSOP.
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Old 07-16-2012, 09:36 PM   #23
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The One Drop winnings appear to not have been included.

For example: PH.
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Old 07-16-2012, 09:40 PM   #24
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This is awesome, great job!

Now we know why Arieh decided to quit poker after the WSOP.
Doubt it was just the $132k loss at WSOP. Most online super stars who are backed are in make up for significantly more, having played all year and not cashed. It's probably his bad, family, kid, and general frustration more than the losses at WSOP.
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Old 07-16-2012, 09:42 PM   #25
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The One Drop winnings appear to not have been included.

For example: PH.
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I included all WSOP events in the data, with the exception of the $1MM One-Drop Event
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