Of course they are, they probably already had a deal made out before the final 3 even started. But the bracelet is worth so much in endorsements its worth playing your best.

ICM can easily be talking about previous hands where Silvia folded etc etc...

Also if Silvia had seen Mersen's hand he would have the right price to call, Merson never does that with JJ+ or AQ+, so the call is probably correct anway.

That said they both seemed a hell of a lot more relaxed and happy, after playing for 12 hours i would instantly chip chop, and am leaning toward that they did. Not because he called with QJ but the way they looked after the break.

ICM N/A and a deal wouldn't be a legitimate reason for Sylvia to call for stacks with QJ anyway given there would probably still have been money on the line and the ridiculously valuable notoriety and fame of being ME winner.

Pretty obviously nothing in this.

I would be surprised if the final three did not make a deal before starting 3 handed play.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 46.430% 45.99% 00.44% 459906468 4389820.00 { QJs }
Hand 1: 53.570% 53.13% 00.44% 531299428 4389820.00 { 99-22, ATs-A5s, KJs-K9s, QTs, JTs, AJo-A8o, KTo }


Easy call if he puts this range in, which I think is kinda tight, and obviously is considering he had K5s.

I'd be surprised if there wasn't a deal

What if we hit the roulette but build the ultimate dragon instead?

lol deal obv

ya but does Vanessa know this?

Deals happen all the time.

The bigger the pay jumps, the more volatile the blind structure at that point, the more likely a deal will happen.

They are never publicized when it's a WSOP event because it's against the rules...so gentlemans agreements are done...and honored I am sure.

The value of the World Championship is huge in endorsements, notoriety and fame...which equates to real dollars if you take advantage of it....so I think reguardless of a deal...the players involved would play hard for the win...with the exception of someone like Darvin Moon....who could care less about fame and endorsements IMO....anyone ever consider that he went all in on a draw because of this?

Personally, as silly as it sounds....I think I would be more happy with 2nd place at the Main Event...you are still wealthy...without all the responsibility of interviews/appearances/endorsements..etc..etc.

You could take that 5 or 6 million and start up whatever business you wanted to without any responsibility to the poker world.

If you just aquired 5/6 million, why in hell would you want to start a business?

I don't see why they wouldn't make a deal if they both were in there expected payout range. i mean this type of deal tips the scales on their lifetime winnings, definately...why f wih it? and it actually makes great sense that Vanessa would make the deal imo...she is im sure more experienced in these types of deals and could advise Jesse what he should/she things she can get prior to agreeing to a floor min amount...not to mention the amt of talk that would start if people could witness or hear Jesse and Greg talkin themselves.

+1

doesn't shove AJs, KQo? I know he might 4b to like 17M with some strong hands but don't know about these....

Thread should be merged.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...op-me-1262807/

It would be a good idea to bring a lawyer if playing in a tournament for that much money. Just in case you need to write up a quick endorsement contract, chop agreement, or some other unforeseen legal advise.

Probably the weakest post I've ever seen (or at least in the top 10 weakest). I really find it hard to believe you've been around so long?? I might expect this post from a first time poster - one who may not understand poker or the business of poker at all.

How in the world can you post something so ignorant? And when I say "ignorant" I am in no way being insulting - just using the word as defined:

1.lacking knowledge: lacking knowledge or education in general or in a specific subject
2.unaware: unaware of something
3.resulting from lack of knowledge: caused by a lack of knowledge, understanding, or experience

This post clearly comes from someone who has NEVER played a tournement of poker. (But I'm assuming you have??) That's why I find it hard to believe someone has been around this forum as long as you posted it??? Can't wrap my head around that.

Of course I have NO proof that they did or did not chop. My opinion? Of course they did. 90% of all the tournies I've ever played - OR have ever been around to rail the final table have ended in some sort of deal or chop. It's completely crazy to not unless you have a HUGE edge along with a HUGE chip lead. And with the blinds as high as they are - it's very very difficult to have that huge of an edge.

Anyway - I'm guessing they made a deal. Most do.

"here's an 888 patch, and 10 hundo's..."


"Umm, no dude, NOT THERE, ON UR shirt!...g00t"
"now... sign here..."

"GETDAFUKOFFAMEI'MTRYIN2PLAYCARDSDOOSHBAG!"

All this being said - I wanted to add that (at least I try my best) to never get angry at someone who doesn't want to make a deal. I also try to not buy into (the rest of the players) getting angry and pressuring someone who doesn't want to. It's everyone's peragative to do what they please in this situation.

Most of the time (again - this is assuming that there is not an overwhelming chip lead) it is just good business to make some sort of deal.

In the case of these guys - it's already been said that there is a LOT on the line with winning the championship. So much more opportunity to make a lot of extra money - and of course the prestige - so they could have very well made a deal 3 handed and played as hard and as good as they did to try to win.

I still haven't watched the gazillion hours of play that these guys did. (I was in a tourny myself at the Hustler last night when the final 3 were playing - and had final three recording at home. I played for hours and hours and busted (out of the money - sigh) - and these guys were still on tvs in Hustler tourny room (still 3 handed) - got home around 5am (west coast time) and they were STILL on!

I do look forward to watching it all - and now that I have read this thread - will definitely try to see what may have happened after the break that we are discussing. Will be interesting to see any play style changes or as some have said - the two came back seeming like a lot of pressure was off of them and having a bit more fun. Maybe they just had sleep deprevation!?? (kidding obv.)

i think thread can be locked

To make more money.

You have to do SOMETHING with your time, and 3 mil or whatever after taxes won't support you in luxury forever.

You also have to do something with your money, and I'd rather have it working in a business I control, for better or for worse, then give it to some hedge fund prick and hope not to get robbed.

This.

You have bad money management if you can't live 50 years out of 3M$, really bad.
And as for doing something with your time, i would simply do interesting things, simply live out of the interests, be smart with my monies to be able to travel, have hobbies, learning things, etc instead of trying to make monies on a business (it's like a work, and with a few millions at the bank i would have funnier things to do instead of working)
Someone who doesn't know what to do with his time when he is set up for life needs to get kicked in the ass honestly

Lol at thinking any of the players had a 100% of themselves and thinking 3 milly is set for life, especially when your a Poker degenerate.
Btw,even greggy was staked here because I have a friend that was stabbing himself because he missed out on staking Greg for the duration of the wsop as he was out of town.
So I'm speculating that greggy probably had 50% or so here

Given that most of the people watching the broadcast to its entirety were people very interested in poker or already well established in poker, and that Greg was playing/grinding incredibly, with so much class, that the value of winning the bracelet and getting to be in ESPN in front of the entire poker world outweighs whatever monetary gain he received (prize minus taxes minus stake).

everyone thinks that he's the best wsop main event champ in the past 10 or so years, pretty big compliment + recognition

I would think deals happen as they seem to in most smaller tournaments. But one think that surprises me is that most people just can't keep a secret for very long, and it seems like over the years more stories of deals being made would come out.

Sort of like a year or two from now, some friend is going "how the hell did you call off your stack with QJ?" and in a moment of frustration he goes "it didn't really matter we made a deal, and I was tired, but don't tell anybody". Of course, that friend then tells one other person who promises not to tell anybody, and before you know it 1000 people who promised not to tell anybody know about it.

It's the "I can keep secrets but the people I tell can't" phenomenon. I just think we would have heard about more deals if they had happened.