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No WSOP bracelet is a real bracelet if it is played outside of the USA in the same way that no Olympic gold medal is real if held outside of Greece?

I don't get the concern.

worst. analogy. evar.

Errr, no it isn't that would go to the person who posted this..........

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no chance in hell, and im not an american.

there is only one wsop.

its liek the heavyweight belt and the european belt in wwe... not the same thing

.....oh [censored], that was you

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09-11-2007 , 05:51 AM

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fatshaft

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It's similar to the reason that Roland De Wolfe is hyped as the only player to win both a WPT title and an EPT title. There's no correlation between those two feats (other than being considered "majors"), but because the names are similar, we (the media) treat is as more special than winning, say, Aussie Millions and a WPT title. The fact that the WSOP and the WSOP-E are run by the same corporate entity doesn't matter. A PokerStars WCOOP victory doesn't get lumped in with an EPT victory -- yet they are organized by the same corporate entity.

A spot on post BJ, although to correct you on this point, the EPT and the WCOOP are not run by the same organisation. The EPT is run by the EPT with major sponsorship from Poker Stars.

I think the reason that EPT & WPT titles are so highly valued is because they are major tlevised tours, whereas the Aussie is just a one-off. Like in golf when the European Tour atrted to drag in Australasian events, if it became part of the EPT say rather than simply an Aussie event, then it would probably be more highly thought of by the public, I think the players already rate it very highly.

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09-11-2007 , 05:57 AM

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Anamul

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One day I will play in the WSOP. I will not be going to Europe to do it. THE WSOP is held in VEGAS. The WSOPE Bracelets should be respected, but IMO (and that's what it comes down to - peoples opinions) not the same as WSOPV!!

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09-11-2007 , 06:37 AM

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inyourface

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americans need to grow up and stop assuming world = them

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09-11-2007 , 06:39 AM

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RoundTower

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If I had a prop bet about someone not cashing in the WSOP this year, I'd be pretty pissed off if they whiffed in the WSOP, cashed in the WSOPE instead, and didn't pay up.

This has nothing to do with anything.

OK what if the bet was that they wouldn't win a WSOP bracelet this year?

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09-11-2007 , 06:40 AM

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shaundeeb

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fatshaft yes they are different corporate entities but the staff who are currently running EPT are mostly ex stars staff etc. They are really associated in many ways and I think it's great for poker. The WSOP tries to remove the online sites while since EPT is part of one it is much more invovled. I think it's great for all those invovled getting live players into seriously online tourneys and viceversa. Also the EPTs live webcasts are wayyy better then the WSOP webcasts were and def will improve as the fields get larger and the staff get even stronger.

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09-11-2007 , 06:46 AM

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If I had a prop bet about someone not cashing in the WSOP this year, I'd be pretty pissed off if they whiffed in the WSOP, cashed in the WSOPE instead, and didn't pay up.

This has nothing to do with anything.

OK what if the bet was that they wouldn't win a WSOP bracelet this year?

If you made a bet earlier in the year that was clearly referring to the WSOP series played in vegas, it is obvious that bet would not include any WSOP-E bracelets, only because the WSOP-E was not public knowledge until after your bet was made.

And the result of your bet has no bearing on this current debate which is actually pretty interesting.

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09-11-2007 , 07:17 AM

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ben wb

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The better question is, where is everyone? The fields for the HORSE and PLO were tiny.

I can understand HORSE, since the stud games might not be as well-known in Europe (they are barely known to the public at large here), but I thought PLO was Europe's game of the continent.

Run some satellites, or something.

The PLO field was not that small, the buyin was £5000, more than the $10000 PLO event at the WSOP in vegas which had a top prize of $768k, the top prize in the WSOPE PLO event was equivalent to about $470k which isn't much smaller and similar to the top prize of the WSOP omaha event as recently as 2005.

Whether they are counted as official WSOP bracelets or not winning one of these events is certainly more impressive than winning one of the early WSOP events. This one appears to have been a $10k heads uo tournament with a $10,000 buyin and $20000 first prize. http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/event.php?a=r&n=8186

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09-11-2007 , 08:34 AM

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TylerD

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Don't see them moving it away from Las Vegas, don't think any other casino in the world has the capabilities to run the series. London has it stretched over 3 casino which each hold only 100 players each.

Unless they can get a bill through parliament that allows the UK to build a super casino of similar size to those in vegas it is never going to happen.

Not sure if there is a casino in Europe (Monte Carlo maybe?) that is big enough to host the event.

The first "super casino" will be built in Manchester. The bill has already been passed through and I expect to see at least 1 of these "super casino's" built in all of the major cities in England.

lol, the one already approved for Manchester is in doubt since Gordan Brown ordered a "review" of its effects. We'll be lucky if we get one supercasino let alone one in all major cities.

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09-11-2007 , 10:57 AM

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isapistola

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you can only win a REAL bracelet in the united states of freedom.

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09-11-2007 , 11:04 AM

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Bluegrass Poker

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lol at most of you even discussing this when 75% of you won't even play in a WSOP event let alone WSOPE

What the hell does it matter? If not for the 75% of people who will never play in these events then the WSOP would still be a relatively unknown event in Las Vegas that might get one or two hours of late night coverage on ESPN2 instead of months of primetime coverage. Guess I shouldn't discuss the NFL season with my buddies either since I'm unlikely to ever play in the NFL either.

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09-11-2007 , 11:22 AM

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No WSOP bracelet is a real bracelet if it is played outside of the USA in the same way that no Olympic gold medal is real if held outside of Greece?

I don't get the concern.

worst. analogy. evar.

Errr, no it isn't that would go to the person who posted this..........

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no chance in hell, and im not an american.

there is only one wsop.

its liek the heavyweight belt and the european belt in wwe... not the same thing

.....oh [censored], that was you

This is by far and away the greatest post in the history of NVG.

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09-11-2007 , 01:02 PM

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fraac

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WSOPE bracelets not real. Neither are WSOP ones. I mean who actually cares? You lot and people worse than you lot like Daniel Negreanu.

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09-11-2007 , 01:04 PM

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Wolverine

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Jerry Yang vs WSOPE ME winner, HU4braceletz.

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09-11-2007 , 04:33 PM

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Sportsfreak

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americans need to grow up and stop assuming world = them

No one has assumed this ... QFT

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09-11-2007 , 05:43 PM

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Lostinlasvegas

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I really think the fact that the WSOP now runs twice a year less then three months apart really devalues all of the bracelets.

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09-11-2007 , 06:05 PM

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franzinator

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If we always said that the winner of a bracelet in WSOP is the World champion for that year , the WSOPE bracelet should'nt count as a bracelet . No way there's more than one World champion for each year, even on differnt buyins.
By the way i think this is a very important tournament , because of the tough field ( average strongest players ) and the deep buyin , and as ZJ said must be considered one of the best 5 tournament of the year ( longside EPT finals in mOntecarlo i think ).

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09-11-2007 , 08:25 PM

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ZeeJustin

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For every game the WSOP has, the biggest buyin of that game is a championship event. None of the events in London are championship events.

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09-12-2007 , 04:19 PM

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Phat Mack

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The only good way to answer this question would be to put a bracelet from each event on ebay, and see what they bring.

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09-12-2007 , 10:18 PM

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J.C. Gloves

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If Bracelets won before 2003 count as bracelets.. then these sure as hell count

LOLz, this is the first thing that popped into my head when I started to really think about this and not just post anything. Especially after including that tag event. W/e the eff that is/was...if that counts then party up