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06-07-2015 , 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by losthawks
Lol, no, they are NOT dealt the same way. NOR are the requirements to BE A PROFESSIONAL DEALER the same as DEALING A HOME GAME. You're like a caricature of someone who already doesn't know what they're talking about.

To be clear, AGAIN - I am logically and factually disputing your assertions. I am saying. You are wrong. Green? Super green.

Also, you appear to have indeed read my posts, despite your cries otherwise. So more hahahaha.
i dont play for pennies, but if the pressure of dealing at the wsop is enough to make your knees buckle and your head go blank, it says a lot about your capability to function and succeed in life.
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06-07-2015 , 10:25 PM
or are you going to act like lots of dealers at action-packed casinos in this country don't make at least 100k/yr?

i know several who do up in lolblackhawk colorado, where the only cash games are 1-2-100 spread limit, 2-5-100 spread and 30/60 fixed holdem, and a car salesman from vegas just confirmed as well

but yea, clearly i have no clue what im talking about, maybe you'd like to be the second butthurt clown to challenge me hu4rollz/hu4dealz itt?

edit: btw it's pretty funny you just accused me of being insane when like 3 or 4 posts ago you said you knew you weren't going to change my mind but then continued to write lots more words in lots more posts to me anyway
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06-07-2015 , 10:27 PM
A car salesman from Vegas said lots of dealers make 100k+ a year.

A car salesman from Vegas said lots of dealers make 100k+ a year.

A car salesman from Vegas said lots of dealers make 100k+ a year.

A car salesman from Vegas said lots of dealers make 100k+ a year.
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06-07-2015 , 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by losthawks
A car salesman from Vegas said lots of dealers make 100k+ a year.

A car salesman from Vegas said lots of dealers make 100k+ a year.

A car salesman from Vegas said lots of dealers make 100k+ a year.

A car salesman from Vegas said lots of dealers make 100k+ a year.
How much do you suppose a Vegas car salesman makes?
$150k -$200k?
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06-08-2015 , 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by LancyHoward
How much do you suppose a Vegas car salesman makes?
$150k -$200k?
About tree-fiddy.
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06-08-2015 , 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted by LASJayhawk
About tree-fiddy.
Wow!
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06-08-2015 , 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
those facts about "market realities" have been acknowledged already itt- the vast majority of dealers going to the wsop are essentially auditioning for one of those coveted $100k/yr+ permanent jobs that you speak of.

like some idiot straight out of dealer school should just be stumbling and misdealing his way straight into a job that earns more than like 80% of the country's population?
Do you see where the Catch-22 is?
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06-08-2015 , 01:17 AM
If this conversation was taking place at a table, I would ****ing snap quit.
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06-08-2015 , 01:33 AM
@losthawks just stop replying to @+rep_lol he is a complete moron troll
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06-08-2015 , 01:52 AM
First observation from this thread: wow, **** almost all of you. The ignorance here is incredible. From "auditioning for a 100k+/yr job (which does not exist in Vegas anymore in the poker world, and even if it did it would take years of seniority/juice to get there) to "ermahgerd my sisters friends nieces husband is a surgeon and makes 4.25 an hour how dare you complain about money." Just utter ignorance.

First off, again, nobody is bitching about "only" making 30/hr. They're complaining because this has been a constant in their lives for many years, deal the series make x continue life. Now they're worried they'll make x/2 and will suddenly have to significantly alter their lifestyle or whatnot. I don't see many people shaming other industries when the workers are disgruntled that their wages got slashed, so why the hate on the people in the industry we all love so much?

Second, I want to clear up some ignorant misconceptions in here. Poker dealers in Vegas make minimum wage for the most part (v pays $1ish more) plus tips. They sign a tip compliance to where they get taxed on x/hr whether they make that or not. Generally in the $9-12/hr. 80% of rooms will also tax tournament tokes on top of the tip compliance rate now. So a dealer goes into Wsop, waits two hours for his spot, gets taxed on $20/hr for the minimum wage he is making.

The notion that cash downs are "way more" than tourney downs at Wsop is a crock of ****. There's a reason that there's a line of dealers every day asking for tournament while live games there are the "punishment." Most weeks, Wsop down rates are $13-20, whereas it's a total crapshoot making that in cash at rio, especially with the advent of OFC.

As for the car salesman knowing what poker dealers make...he's either ignorant or lying. Again, poker dealers' proof of income resides in their tip compliance. No other tips, outside of tournament downs, are reported. So it's mathematically impossible for a poker dealer to report 5500/mo income. He's almost 100% dealing with table games dealers, which for the sake of this argument is comparing apples and sumo wrestlers.

Tl;dr the utter ignorance spouted in this thread reminds me what an awful industry I've chosen to work in.
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06-08-2015 , 02:35 AM
yeah..I mean dealing is a lot easier than sleeping till noon, sitting in your sweats while you multitable and bumhunt online all day, bitching about the rake hikes and how it's taking money out of your pockets. But, I'm sure that's different.
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06-08-2015 , 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by bacchanalia
First observation from this thread: wow, **** almost all of you. The ignorance here is incredible. From "auditioning for a 100k+/yr job (which does not exist in Vegas anymore in the poker world, and even if it did it would take years of seniority/juice to get there) to "ermahgerd my sisters friends nieces husband is a surgeon and makes 4.25 an hour how dare you complain about money." Just utter ignorance.

First off, again, nobody is bitching about "only" making 30/hr. They're complaining because this has been a constant in their lives for many years, deal the series make x continue life. Now they're worried they'll make x/2 and will suddenly have to significantly alter their lifestyle or whatnot. I don't see many people shaming other industries when the workers are disgruntled that their wages got slashed, so why the hate on the people in the industry we all love so much?

Second, I want to clear up some ignorant misconceptions in here. Poker dealers in Vegas make minimum wage for the most part (v pays $1ish more) plus tips. They sign a tip compliance to where they get taxed on x/hr whether they make that or not. Generally in the $9-12/hr. 80% of rooms will also tax tournament tokes on top of the tip compliance rate now. So a dealer goes into Wsop, waits two hours for his spot, gets taxed on $20/hr for the minimum wage he is making.

The notion that cash downs are "way more" than tourney downs at Wsop is a crock of ****. There's a reason that there's a line of dealers every day asking for tournament while live games there are the "punishment." Most weeks, Wsop down rates are $13-20, whereas it's a total crapshoot making that in cash at rio, especially with the advent of OFC.

As for the car salesman knowing what poker dealers make...he's either ignorant or lying. Again, poker dealers' proof of income resides in their tip compliance. No other tips, outside of tournament downs, are reported. So it's mathematically impossible for a poker dealer to report 5500/mo income. He's almost 100% dealing with table games dealers, which for the sake of this argument is comparing apples and sumo wrestlers.

Tl;dr the utter ignorance spouted in this thread reminds me what an awful industry I've chosen to work in.


READ IT AGAIN SHMENDRICKS.
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06-08-2015 , 04:31 AM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
btw, at the end of the day it's you guys who are calling out the WSOP for making structural changes that ****ed over your rent and other finances from travelling to work at WSOP. grow some balls and walk off if you don't like it, see how far that gets the WSOP
fyp

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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
i play poker for a living, why the **** would i want to deal cards
Because, well...

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but i have dealt plenty in drunken home mixed games
...you are either a spewtard donkey or a troll with no life. You could use the money either way.

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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
btw, at the end of the day it's you guys who are calling out the WSOP for making structural changes that ****ed over your rent and other finances from travelling to work at WSOP. grow some balls and walk off if you don't like it, see how far that gets the WSOP
fyp

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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
doing basic arithmetic in your head

$30/hr is like $60k/yr.
Except they're only doing it for six weeks. Apparently, basic arithmetic is the very limit of what you can do mathematically -- applying it to real-world scenarios where not everyone can just walk into a casino that consistently pays that much appears to be a real challenge for you!

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Originally Posted by LektorAJ
Compare the above list with the following:

http://www.humanservicesed.org/filehandler.ashx?x=8294
My retort to that, which is, cumulatively, almost 7 times longer than your pathetic attempt at comparing this job to McDonald's.

http://www.2015wsopdealersandstaff.c...formation.html

Also, keep in mind that, just because you're experienced at dealing a particular game, does not mean you have adjust to new rules at new casinos. For some dealers, this can be very hard when you've dealt for the same company or in the same region for years before you suddenly relocate.

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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
the job i had before that was an entry-level position with a global fortune 500 company (compressed airgas industry) and i was offered $14/hr+benefits to start, which i snap-accepted.
Damn! That's pretty good for a mail clerk. umad that you don't have what it takes to be a dealer?
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06-08-2015 , 05:13 AM
lets add some more levels in, right Al? create a few hundred more downs.
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06-08-2015 , 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by everydaygrind
We, the players, don't cry. We just know what to expect. Dealers here are whining.
After reading the entire thread, that is the line that keeps me laughing

Also, I couldn't get out of my mind Caesar's chucking out 10.79 a down to wsop dealers, but having to pay $890 an hour for the examiner checking the books to see if they ripped off their bank/hedge fund debt owners.
A private equity gamble in Vegas gone wrong

I guess the poor dealers have a history of being stepped on in the wsop. I seem to remember one year at Binions that all of the ME tip pool? was initially kept from the dealers. I don't remember how that played out.
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06-08-2015 , 05:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Reducto
I really don't understand how so many people can believe that dealing is an incredibly easy job that any idiot can walk in and do well AND that 99% of us actually doing it are unable to do it well. They must go to great lengths to hire only the biggest idiots they can find.

Good dealers make it look easy, but it takes several years and some drive to get good. Pitching cards and dealing with abusive players is maybe 10% of the job. The rest is keeping track of everything that happens on the table and being able to instantly recall the rule that applies to that event in that game type. If you've never dealt poker before, don't assume you know what the job is like. To look at a professional poker player all you would see them doing is sitting in an air conditioned room, fiddling with their phone, and occasionally tossing chips forward a few inches or pulling them back and restacking them.
i agree with all of this but almost every rio dealer is awful. and it's even worse playing plo with them dealing.

some of them deserve 30-40 an hour- many don't deserve a nickel.
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06-08-2015 , 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by tcmNOWAY
LOL @ all the ignoramuses saying that it's easy to deal over 20 different variants of poker. Yes, 20+. That is how many different variants of poker you have to not only know, but be proficient in in a high-pressure environment which is likely hundreds or thousands of miles away from home, in order to earn a job at WSOP. A lot of these people have dedicated years of their lives towards mastering their craft, knowing full well how thankless some of you donkeys are.

It's rare to even find a full-time dealer who makes a base pay of greater than minimum wage, and yet we're on the front line, constantly multitasking and doing better math in pot-limit games than most of the field (and, trust me, I know this first-hand). Just as an example, we HAVE to know, at all times:

- how many chips are in the tray, what denominations we need to fill it and how many of each

- if Player A wants the clock called, and if my floor suit is actually on their way, all while paying attention to the action

- if Player B verbally declared an action or if what they just said was inconsequential

- what order to deal in in stud games, which I have been told by dealers with over 10 years of experience is a MAJOR pain in the ass if your players are being disruptive

- if Player C just moved the button for me in between hands or if it needs to be moved

- if Player D just asked me to call a seat change

- if I have riffle-riffle-box-riffled in the proper order, and make sure my cut is as close to 26 cards as possible. btw, I challenge any naysayer to try doing that 150 to 200 times in a day.

- if Player E's raise is sufficient, and to follow proper procedure regarding when it isn't

- if Player F has chips behind, which may be in transit

- if Third Man Walking is in effect after a player leaves

And so on and so on and so on. btw, have you manchildren even read a Dealer's Manual? We actually HAVE to know most of that manual in order to do our jobs well.

All in all, STFU and do it yourself if you think it's so easy.
is this post a joke? have you played at the rio? half these dealers can't make change for time and 80% can't keep track of the pot in plo and that's not remotely an exagerration.

lmao@being proficient at 20 forms of poker.
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06-08-2015 , 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Menace ll Society
lol at the anti-tip shaming being done itt.

1 - nobody is forcing anybody to tip
2 - what anyone other than yourself tips is none of your business and shouldn't reflect on how you tip for service

if you're salty about the players in your game tipping dealers and hurting your hourly by pulling money off the table faster than you can win it, who's the one acting entitled? you don't want to tip when a dealer pushes you a $400 pot, fine, but the fact of the matter is you're probably a busto or a cheap *******!

fwiw I really hate the word entitled and how it's thrown around so much nowadays... everyone's always screaming it at various stereotyped groups. welfare queens entitled. tip shaming dealers entitled. bumhunting poker players entitled. ****, the overwhelming vast majority of people believe they're some special snowflake so acting entitled is about as natural as breathing. get used to it ffs.
It actually is my business what other people tip. when people over tip awful dealrs bc they bink a tounry , suck out or just because they're really generous it keeps these ****ty dealers employed. i always tip good dealers more and have tipped dealers when I didnt even win a pot on their down.
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06-08-2015 , 05:51 AM
I was fortunate enough to deal at the 2014 WSOP. I had a great time. It was my first time and this summer I was suppose to again. I was part of the +200 international dealers that were suppose to come this summer but our Visas never got processed. It is a shame but s*** happenes. Anyways, people are right about this thread. It comes every year and players/dealers will never agree on what a "fair" wage is for a dealer to make.

A lot of the newer dealers stick to tournaments because lefts face it.... it is easier to deal than live. I'll explain in a moment. For most dealers they will be dealing holdem 80% of the time. An easy game to learn how to deal. And for most part guaranteed income. 8 hours worked and 10 downs was a solid days work for pay. Lots of dealers avoid live because it comes with risk. Dealers are responsible for counting the tray before they sit down. If the tray was out money it comes directly of our pay. Not the end of the world as we accept the responsibility for going to live. It can add up and cost you money. And the biggest reason why I avoided live last year... if you miss dropping the rake and are caught by the eye in the sky you are pulled out of the box, suspended the next 3 days. If it happens a second time you are fired from the WSOP for that year. I consider myself a good dealer but I didn't want this looming over my head. In a earlier post someone mentioned just a sample of all the things a dealer has to pay attention to during a hand. Obviously dropping the rake is the most important thing for a dealer in live to avoid suspension. I can honestly say I'm pretty sure I missed at least one rake last summer and was lucky surveillance didn't catch it.

Dealing is an easy job, hard to be really good. I hope that casinos never go to electronic tables. People deserve jobs. And I prefer to play live than online.

Cheers everyone
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06-08-2015 , 06:07 AM
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Originally Posted by bacchanalia
First observation from this thread: wow, **** almost all of you. The ignorance here is incredible. From "auditioning for a 100k+/yr job (which does not exist in Vegas anymore in the poker world, and even if it did it would take years of seniority/juice to get there) to "ermahgerd my sisters friends nieces husband is a surgeon and makes 4.25 an hour how dare you complain about money." Just utter ignorance.

First off, again, nobody is bitching about "only" making 30/hr. They're complaining because this has been a constant in their lives for many years, deal the series make x continue life. Now they're worried they'll make x/2 and will suddenly have to significantly alter their lifestyle or whatnot. I don't see many people shaming other industries when the workers are disgruntled that their wages got slashed, so why the hate on the people in the industry we all love so much?

Second, I want to clear up some ignorant misconceptions in here. Poker dealers in Vegas make minimum wage for the most part (v pays $1ish more) plus tips. They sign a tip compliance to where they get taxed on x/hr whether they make that or not. Generally in the $9-12/hr. 80% of rooms will also tax tournament tokes on top of the tip compliance rate now. So a dealer goes into Wsop, waits two hours for his spot, gets taxed on $20/hr for the minimum wage he is making.

The notion that cash downs are "way more" than tourney downs at Wsop is a crock of ****. There's a reason that there's a line of dealers every day asking for tournament while live games there are the "punishment." Most weeks, Wsop down rates are $13-20, whereas it's a total crapshoot making that in cash at rio, especially with the advent of OFC.

As for the car salesman knowing what poker dealers make...he's either ignorant or lying. Again, poker dealers' proof of income resides in their tip compliance. No other tips, outside of tournament downs, are reported. So it's mathematically impossible for a poker dealer to report 5500/mo income. He's almost 100% dealing with table games dealers, which for the sake of this argument is comparing apples and sumo wrestlers.

Tl;dr the utter ignorance spouted in this thread reminds me what an awful industry I've chosen to work in.
the reason is most of the dealers suck. if you suck you'll make more at tournaments regardless of how bad you are. good dealers want cash games because they make more money. i had one dealer deal plo last week who was phenominal. one of if not the best i've ever seen.he was racking up tips like crazy. he said he doesn't even deal hold em.he always switches out for plo because plo players take care of him better. i guarantee you a dealer of his quality doesn't wanna waste his time with tournies if he can help it. and of course ****ty dealers want nothing to do with plo.
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06-08-2015 , 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by borg23
the reason is most of the dealers suck. if you suck you'll make more at tournaments regardless of how bad you are. good dealers want cash games because they make more money. i had one dealer deal plo last week who was phenominal. one of if not the best i've ever seen.he was racking up tips like crazy. he said he doesn't even deal hold em.he always switches out for plo because plo players take care of him better. i guarantee you a dealer of his quality doesn't wanna waste his time with tournies if he can help it. and of course ****ty dealers want nothing to do with plo.


The previous poster mentioned why many dealers [Even very good ones] avoid live and it's not because of proficiency. Not to mention now there are numerous tables of Chinese Poker, which I can attest to being absolutely awful for tips, with dealers having no way to control it.
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06-08-2015 , 06:21 AM
I agree that good dealers will want to deal live. And that is all good for them. For many dealers to travel cross country they may not want to take a chance. I worked at the WSOP last summer for the experience. The money was important too because I was in Vegas to work after all. But it was also a chance to have a 2 month vacation. I had to jump through a lot of hoops to get down to vegas. It was all worth it in the end.
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06-08-2015 , 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
i play poker for a living, why the **** would i want to deal cards

but i have dealt plenty in drunken home mixed games, it IS super easy

btw, you wanna add any essential "skills" that i might have missed to that little list i made in the last post?
How many times are you going to tell us in this thread that you play poker for a living lol. We get it, we heard you. Congratulations.

Why anyone would take a guy with a picture of a weed leaf as an avatar as credible is baffling to me.
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06-08-2015 , 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Phil9
The previous poster mentioned why many dealers [Even very good ones] avoid live and it's not because of proficiency. Not to mention now there are numerous tables of Chinese Poker, which I can attest to being absolutely awful for tips, with dealers having no way to control it.
numerous compared to what? past years maybe but not compared to other games.
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06-08-2015 , 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by borg23
numerous compared to what? past years maybe but not compared to other games.


After tournaments, I dealt 5 downs of live, 4 of which were Chinese Poker one night. I was tipped a total of 18 dollars in all 4 downs. That's not something I'd ever want to endure on a day in, day out basis. Which is why I rarely bother to do live. Getting thrown in the wrong string can lead to an awful day for you financially.


Live has its advantages but I prefer the consistency of tournaments. Even though the down rate for the 1st week sucked, I can endure that. It will be higher in the upcoming weeks.
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