i dont play for pennies, but if the pressure of dealing at the wsop is enough to make your knees buckle and your head go blank, it says a lot about your capability to function and succeed in life.

or are you going to act like lots of dealers at action-packed casinos in this country don't make at least 100k/yr?

i know several who do up in lolblackhawk colorado, where the only cash games are 1-2-100 spread limit, 2-5-100 spread and 30/60 fixed holdem, and a car salesman from vegas just confirmed as well

but yea, clearly i have no clue what im talking about, maybe you'd like to be the second butthurt clown to challenge me hu4rollz/hu4dealz itt?

edit: btw it's pretty funny you just accused me of being insane when like 3 or 4 posts ago you said you knew you weren't going to change my mind but then continued to write lots more words in lots more posts to me anyway

A car salesman from Vegas said lots of dealers make 100k+ a year.

A car salesman from Vegas said lots of dealers make 100k+ a year.

A car salesman from Vegas said lots of dealers make 100k+ a year.

A car salesman from Vegas said lots of dealers make 100k+ a year.

How much do you suppose a Vegas car salesman makes?
$150k -$200k?

About tree-fiddy.

Wow!

Do you see where the Catch-22 is?

If this conversation was taking place at a table, I would ****ing snap quit.

@losthawks just stop replying to @+rep_lol he is a complete moron troll

First observation from this thread: wow, **** almost all of you. The ignorance here is incredible. From "auditioning for a 100k+/yr job (which does not exist in Vegas anymore in the poker world, and even if it did it would take years of seniority/juice to get there) to "ermahgerd my sisters friends nieces husband is a surgeon and makes 4.25 an hour how dare you complain about money." Just utter ignorance.

First off, again, nobody is bitching about "only" making 30/hr. They're complaining because this has been a constant in their lives for many years, deal the series make x continue life. Now they're worried they'll make x/2 and will suddenly have to significantly alter their lifestyle or whatnot. I don't see many people shaming other industries when the workers are disgruntled that their wages got slashed, so why the hate on the people in the industry we all love so much?

Second, I want to clear up some ignorant misconceptions in here. Poker dealers in Vegas make minimum wage for the most part (v pays $1ish more) plus tips. They sign a tip compliance to where they get taxed on x/hr whether they make that or not. Generally in the $9-12/hr. 80% of rooms will also tax tournament tokes on top of the tip compliance rate now. So a dealer goes into Wsop, waits two hours for his spot, gets taxed on $20/hr for the minimum wage he is making.

The notion that cash downs are "way more" than tourney downs at Wsop is a crock of ****. There's a reason that there's a line of dealers every day asking for tournament while live games there are the "punishment." Most weeks, Wsop down rates are $13-20, whereas it's a total crapshoot making that in cash at rio, especially with the advent of OFC.

As for the car salesman knowing what poker dealers make...he's either ignorant or lying. Again, poker dealers' proof of income resides in their tip compliance. No other tips, outside of tournament downs, are reported. So it's mathematically impossible for a poker dealer to report 5500/mo income. He's almost 100% dealing with table games dealers, which for the sake of this argument is comparing apples and sumo wrestlers.

Tl;dr the utter ignorance spouted in this thread reminds me what an awful industry I've chosen to work in.

yeah..I mean dealing is a lot easier than sleeping till noon, sitting in your sweats while you multitable and bumhunt online all day, bitching about the rake hikes and how it's taking money out of your pockets. But, I'm sure that's different.

READ IT AGAIN SHMENDRICKS.

fyp

Because, well...

...you are either a spewtard donkey or a troll with no life. You could use the money either way.

fyp

Except they're only doing it for six weeks. Apparently, basic arithmetic is the very limit of what you can do mathematically -- applying it to real-world scenarios where not everyone can just walk into a casino that consistently pays that much appears to be a real challenge for you!

My retort to that, which is, cumulatively, almost 7 times longer than your pathetic attempt at comparing this job to McDonald's.

http://www.2015wsopdealersandstaff.c...formation.html

Also, keep in mind that, just because you're experienced at dealing a particular game, does not mean you have adjust to new rules at new casinos. For some dealers, this can be very hard when you've dealt for the same company or in the same region for years before you suddenly relocate.

Damn! That's pretty good for a mail clerk. umad that you don't have what it takes to be a dealer?

lets add some more levels in, right Al? create a few hundred more downs.

After reading the entire thread, that is the line that keeps me laughing

Also, I couldn't get out of my mind Caesar's chucking out 10.79 a down to wsop dealers, but having to pay $890 an hour for the examiner checking the books to see if they ripped off their bank/hedge fund debt owners.
A private equity gamble in Vegas gone wrong

I guess the poor dealers have a history of being stepped on in the wsop. I seem to remember one year at Binions that all of the ME tip pool? was initially kept from the dealers. I don't remember how that played out.

i agree with all of this but almost every rio dealer is awful. and it's even worse playing plo with them dealing.

some of them deserve 30-40 an hour- many don't deserve a nickel.

is this post a joke? have you played at the rio? half these dealers can't make change for time and 80% can't keep track of the pot in plo and that's not remotely an exagerration.

lmao@being proficient at 20 forms of poker.

It actually is my business what other people tip. when people over tip awful dealrs bc they bink a tounry , suck out or just because they're really generous it keeps these ****ty dealers employed. i always tip good dealers more and have tipped dealers when I didnt even win a pot on their down.

I was fortunate enough to deal at the 2014 WSOP. I had a great time. It was my first time and this summer I was suppose to again. I was part of the +200 international dealers that were suppose to come this summer but our Visas never got processed. It is a shame but s*** happenes. Anyways, people are right about this thread. It comes every year and players/dealers will never agree on what a "fair" wage is for a dealer to make.

A lot of the newer dealers stick to tournaments because lefts face it.... it is easier to deal than live. I'll explain in a moment. For most dealers they will be dealing holdem 80% of the time. An easy game to learn how to deal. And for most part guaranteed income. 8 hours worked and 10 downs was a solid days work for pay. Lots of dealers avoid live because it comes with risk. Dealers are responsible for counting the tray before they sit down. If the tray was out money it comes directly of our pay. Not the end of the world as we accept the responsibility for going to live. It can add up and cost you money. And the biggest reason why I avoided live last year... if you miss dropping the rake and are caught by the eye in the sky you are pulled out of the box, suspended the next 3 days. If it happens a second time you are fired from the WSOP for that year. I consider myself a good dealer but I didn't want this looming over my head. In a earlier post someone mentioned just a sample of all the things a dealer has to pay attention to during a hand. Obviously dropping the rake is the most important thing for a dealer in live to avoid suspension. I can honestly say I'm pretty sure I missed at least one rake last summer and was lucky surveillance didn't catch it.

Dealing is an easy job, hard to be really good. I hope that casinos never go to electronic tables. People deserve jobs. And I prefer to play live than online.

Cheers everyone

the reason is most of the dealers suck. if you suck you'll make more at tournaments regardless of how bad you are. good dealers want cash games because they make more money. i had one dealer deal plo last week who was phenominal. one of if not the best i've ever seen.he was racking up tips like crazy. he said he doesn't even deal hold em.he always switches out for plo because plo players take care of him better. i guarantee you a dealer of his quality doesn't wanna waste his time with tournies if he can help it. and of course ****ty dealers want nothing to do with plo.

The previous poster mentioned why many dealers [Even very good ones] avoid live and it's not because of proficiency. Not to mention now there are numerous tables of Chinese Poker, which I can attest to being absolutely awful for tips, with dealers having no way to control it.

I agree that good dealers will want to deal live. And that is all good for them. For many dealers to travel cross country they may not want to take a chance. I worked at the WSOP last summer for the experience. The money was important too because I was in Vegas to work after all. But it was also a chance to have a 2 month vacation. I had to jump through a lot of hoops to get down to vegas. It was all worth it in the end.

How many times are you going to tell us in this thread that you play poker for a living lol. We get it, we heard you. Congratulations.

Why anyone would take a guy with a picture of a weed leaf as an avatar as credible is baffling to me.

numerous compared to what? past years maybe but not compared to other games.

After tournaments, I dealt 5 downs of live, 4 of which were Chinese Poker one night. I was tipped a total of 18 dollars in all 4 downs. That's not something I'd ever want to endure on a day in, day out basis. Which is why I rarely bother to do live. Getting thrown in the wrong string can lead to an awful day for you financially.


Live has its advantages but I prefer the consistency of tournaments. Even though the down rate for the 1st week sucked, I can endure that. It will be higher in the upcoming weeks.