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05-24-2012 , 10:22 PM
Got an email about ChipTic, a company that claims it'll do for live tournaments what the hole card camera did for TV poker.

If you're playing a bracelet event, you'll be seeing dealers handling a Blackberry- tablet inputting an assortment of data. An overview can be found here.
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05-24-2012 , 10:23 PM
Sounds like it'll slow down play.

Dealers @ WSOP struggle to just maintain order at their tables.. to add another duty for them seems ridiculous
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05-24-2012 , 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by UCBananaboy
Sounds like it'll slow down play.

Dealers @ WSOP struggle to just maintain order at their tables.. to add another duty for them seems ridiculous
this is what i thought first, but the 1 min max for resolving any issue, plus the fact that now they only have to click one button to get a floor person, will prolly keep the pace going normally. the dealers only have to input info whenever there's a new player, a player busts out, or whenever the tournament goes on break. it's not like they'll be typing in stuff every hand. it should be OK. we'll see.
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05-24-2012 , 10:45 PM
I think that sounds like a great idea. It will automate a lot of things that might be forgotten. Sure it may slow things down a tad, but just keeping track of the warnings will be a big boost imo.
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05-24-2012 , 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by UCBananaboy
Sounds like it'll slow down play.

Dealers @ WSOP struggle to just maintain order at their tables.. to add another duty for them seems ridiculous
Thinking the same thing, but if you read the article it doesn't sound to bad and seems kinda cool for internet rail birds.
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05-24-2012 , 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Go Get It
Thinking the same thing, but if you read the article it doesn't sound to bad and seems kinda cool for internet rail birds.
but reading the article before posting makes it hard to be the first reply
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05-24-2012 , 10:54 PM
We'll that a good news of tracking players huh...
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05-24-2012 , 11:00 PM
Just seems weird that dealers will be counting down each players stacks at each break. I dont like the idea of dealers doing that when the players are gone

But then again, maybe they play with the chips during breaks now, and i just dont know it. Sort of like a valet driving your car.

Edit: also, since breaks are only every two hours or so, i dont see how they are billing this as "live scoring" .
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05-24-2012 , 11:04 PM
I wonder if they could make electronic chips embedded in the poker chips with sensors that pick them up from the table that automatically detect chip counts
this could also stop chip thiefs and missed antes
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05-24-2012 , 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by browser2920
I dont like the idea of dealers doing that when the players are gone.
I think that they would at least have another dealer or floor present to confirm the counts. As a player I always count my stack before leaving the table, and I think most players do too. I would have them push the 'call floor' button if I came back missing 1/4 of my stack.

I think this is a cool idea. Other than breaks all the dealers have to do is add/remove players which takes a trivial amount of time. I bet the time saved with the 'call floor' button will make up for it.
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05-24-2012 , 11:23 PM
RFID chips and this becomes a breeze. If you are going to do this, might as well go all the way and do it right.
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05-24-2012 , 11:58 PM
I think it sounds cool actually. A guy was telling me about this the other day when I was in Vegas (someone working on installing the system) and had pretty good things to say about it. I guess we'll see. I have heard of the parent company before (they're here in Canada) and my understanding is that they do all kinds of large industrial strength systems, so I think there's some cause for optimism.
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05-25-2012 , 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Professionalpoker
RFID chips and this becomes a breeze. If you are going to do this, might as well go all the way and do it right.
bink
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05-25-2012 , 12:11 AM
RFID chips sounds like a better idea. Allowing a dealer (most are older and unfamiliar with technology) to input data without being double checked etc is going to end bad.
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05-25-2012 , 12:21 AM
this looks really cool actually.
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05-25-2012 , 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by ceegee
RFID chips sounds like a better idea. Allowing a dealer (most are older and unfamiliar with technology) to input data without being double checked etc is going to end bad.
Whats the worst thing that could happen?
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05-25-2012 , 12:30 AM
Chiptic tried this out in an Iowa circuit even this year. The dealers only updated busted players and chipcounts on slightly longer breaks and didn't seem to have a problem with the technology. At the end of break there was a streaming list of chipleaders and bustouts (and time of bust out) on a big tv screen.
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05-25-2012 , 12:40 AM
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Originally Posted by tomosaurus
Whats the worst thing that could happen?
They get a count wrong and it gets corrected on the next count, or, it throws off the total chips in play and they have to recount right away.

Depends on how they deal with errors.
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05-25-2012 , 01:28 AM
Just me or are there a ton of errors that come up when using there site?

I wonder if the season pass allows you to follow just one player for the season or if its unlimited.
"You need credits to follow players
purchase ChipTic credits
ten credits for 1 day
$2.99
ten credits for 1 week
$7.99
Season Pass May 27-July 6 2012
$29.99
"
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05-25-2012 , 02:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Professionalpoker
RFID chips and this becomes a breeze. If you are going to do this, might as well go all the way and do it right.
..or really go all the way and dump chips altogether, use an electronic card system with all players being issued their own card and keypads and reader/display at every seat. The reader could be dumped too if RFID was used.. The table reader records would be used in the event of lost or stolen cards. Got to be cheaper and certainly more accurate than physical chips in the long run and internet display of counts would be live and instantaneous. Not sure why casinos even continue to use real chips..they pre-date the electronic era when there was no other option and yet we continue to use them. Cards are a different matter because reads and lack of trust in computer RNGs come into play there.

For cash play electronic cards become even more useful with player and casino security being improved, when someone cashes out real money "chips", funds on the cards could be electronically tranferred to a bank/credit card or cash given at the cage.

Last edited by m00sy; 05-25-2012 at 02:47 AM.
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05-25-2012 , 03:53 AM
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Originally Posted by xalas
I wonder if they could make electronic chips embedded in the poker chips with sensors that pick them up from the table that automatically detect chip counts
this could also stop chip thiefs and missed antes
I was coming to post this exact thing. I think that's the next step.
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05-25-2012 , 05:31 AM
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Originally Posted by ceegee
RFID chips sounds like a better idea. Allowing a dealer (most are older and unfamiliar with technology) to input data without being double checked etc is going to end bad.
It would cost literally $Millions to roll out RFID accross all tables and all events. A RFID table is in the region of $2000+ then the chips are like $1 each, and the cards are $300 a deck.

I have never played WSOP, but do different events have different chip designs to prevent chips 'migrating' from a low buy in event to a high event?
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05-25-2012 , 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by browser2920
Just seems weird that dealers will be counting down each players stacks at each break. I dont like the idea of dealers doing that when the players are gone

But then again, maybe they play with the chips during breaks now, and i just dont know it. Sort of like a valet driving your car.

Edit: also, since breaks are only every two hours or so, i dont see how they are billing this as "live scoring" .
According to the staff tutorial video, the dealers are to count the stack without touching it. So its a best estimate, kind of like what the roving reporters
do now, just on a grand scale.
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05-25-2012 , 05:59 AM
You lost me at Blackberry Tablet
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05-25-2012 , 08:03 AM
worthless waste of time and money imo
the only thing that matters is average usually and not being 100% spot on isnt that big of a deal.
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