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Probably will go down as the worst (or best?) nitroll of all time, but a slowroll it was not. Surprising to me some here don't understand the definitions of these terms.

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07-15-2018 , 04:25 PM

#5177

Tommy_Tomich969

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Great to see Talai playing. Awesome dude.

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07-15-2018 , 04:32 PM

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Puddnhead

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Cynn had the 7th nuts.

I'm sure he just wanted to make sure he had all the hands that beat him correct in his head and then give each of them enough thought to see if they were likely enough that he could make a huge fold.

Totally understandable to take your time there when it's for the Main Event. He probably just took longer cause his brain was fried.

Which is less of a screwup than punting with Q8 no fd on that board imo. Cynn definitely deserved it.

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07-15-2018 , 04:34 PM

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buscali20

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I think with Cynn nit rolling he wouldn’t second guessing himself for the rest of his life. Took some time to make sure it’s wgat he was comfortable doing. Also I don’t know if I’ve followed the one drop since the first couple. Where is Guy and all the other amateurs. Isn’t 30 or so the cap they used to do?

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07-15-2018 , 04:36 PM

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illdonk

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There were two hearts on the flop.

It’s understandable that Cynn would take his time given the exhaustion and importance of the moment.

It’s also understandable that somebody would be a little shaken and salty after waiting that long to be shown the 7th best possible hand on the turn, given the same exhaustion and importance.

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07-15-2018 , 04:49 PM

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namisgr11

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Originally Posted by Puddnhead

Totally understandable to take your time there when it's for the Main Event. He probably just took longer cause his brain was fried.

Which is less of a screwup than punting with Q8 no fd on that board imo. Cynn definitely deserved it.

He also took the time to try to get a read on Miles before making the decision. If Miles had a better monster, he might have given off something that Cynn had picked up on before.

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07-15-2018 , 05:00 PM

#5182

w00t

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Originally Posted by Utah_CUtiger

One drop gonna be a bit of a bust? What if they only get 20 entries or so?

30 or more entrants is acceptable.

Below 27 would be a bust.

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07-15-2018 , 05:00 PM

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Dominic

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I'm sure in a normal situation, Cyn snap calls. But the dude was just exhausted. So tired and mentally wrecked. He was probably just making sure there wasn't something obvious he was missing because he was so tired.

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07-15-2018 , 05:07 PM

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Turtle!

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Originally Posted by pocket_zeros

In that case it took Cynn almost exactly as much time to call as Miles did with his AK preflop against Cada.

Two totally different animals imo.

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07-15-2018 , 05:12 PM

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businessdude

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yeah, I was going to stay give Cynn maybe 30 seconds to make his call due to pressure and exhaustion, but 3+ minutes - really can't blame Miles for the slowroll complaint

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07-15-2018 , 05:13 PM

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Turtle!

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Originally Posted by MofoAgro

I've played with Ben many hours. In live play it is impossible to know what he has or what he is doing. I always thought I may as well be playing blindfolded.

Congrats to the new champion. It's always an unbelievable sight to witness. Nice catch on the last.

Miles shove on the turn is such an online auto shove but OOPS.

Disagree about the shove being automatic. Hard to fold out better and doesn't maximize the win if you fold out worse. Although the older school part of me always wants to make draws pay and iirc there was a possible flush draw on that board. So iow imo shoving there is not necessarily wrong but not automatic either.

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07-15-2018 , 05:14 PM

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DarkCheck

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Also I was nervous for Cynn as he was so tired he was talking about his hand as Jack Effel listened closely. It ok now as long as your opponent still doesn't have a decision right? Could he have turned it faceup? I mean he said his hand at one point.

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07-15-2018 , 05:16 PM

#5188

Turtle!

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Originally Posted by SpewingIsMyMove

Are you saying that there are never situations where you would fold trips with a J high kicker?

No, I'm not.

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07-15-2018 , 05:28 PM

#5189

Turtle!

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Originally Posted by Dr. Meh

Well, yeah. Miles has to keep up the facade of being a good guy. He’s a snake and a chameleon. I wouldn’t trust him as far as I could throw him. I hope his backers actually get paid but we’ll see.

Eh. I think that what that picture shows is that he probably had a few minutes to compose himself and act like he knew he should but was initially unable to. He tries to espouse ideals which are actually counter to his true personality which is always gonna be quickly spotted as being "phony" - I certainly have thought and said that about him.

That said the ideals he's trying to live by are good and even though change is hard he's young and I think it's better that he's trying than just simply embracing being a jerk. I just don't think he realizes how phony it makes him atm.

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07-15-2018 , 05:31 PM

#5190

Turtle!

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Originally Posted by renodoc

I've been slow-rolled

That was not a slow-roll

Nit-roll ? Hell yeah.

Agree. The thing is though is that the effect on the recipient, at least in the moment, is pretty hard to swallow.

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07-15-2018 , 05:39 PM

#5191

synth_floyd

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Yeah after playing almost 200 hands of heads up and for 8+ hours and calling an all in to win the bracelet how can you blame him?

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07-15-2018 , 05:53 PM

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Yuv

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I kinda feel like big drop is a disappointing event regardless of the final entrants number. A few years ago they had a waiting list and 48 confirmed entries weeks prior to the event. They made a whole spectacle out of introducing each player and whatever. They couldn't even get a satellite going even tho they scheduled one.

This year they had Jack Effel give a speach infront of a half full one-table SnG and people casually late regging cause they busted out of the Venetian 5k or something.

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07-15-2018 , 06:04 PM

#5193

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Originally Posted by 1hitwonder

Thought Cynn was just overwhelmed with tiredness and emotion to where he couldnt find words. It’s happened to me before and it sucks.

Which year did you win?

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07-15-2018 , 06:10 PM

#5194

Tommy_Tomich969

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Originally Posted by Yuv

That's probably because there is literally a high roller torny every week of the year nowadays with mostly these same guys.

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07-15-2018 , 06:19 PM

#5195

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I'm prepared to cut Miles some slack for the way he carried himself at the end. Same with Cynn's post match interview. A 10 hour HU match like that has to fk your head in.....and at 5 in the morning.

I can't remember ever being HU for longer than half an hour in a tournament. I used to 24 table FR cash games online and couldn't play more than 1 table HU. Just posting blinds and antes in live HU is hard work.

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07-15-2018 , 06:28 PM

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Mr_Mxyztplk

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Originally Posted by synth_floyd

Yeah after playing almost 200 hands of heads up and for 8+ hours and calling an all in to win the bracelet how can you blame him?

433 hands and almost 12 hours of playing.

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07-15-2018 , 06:29 PM

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Wildspoke

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Originally Posted by Yuv

Kinda agree. The WSOP should always end after the main event. Anything else and it seems anti-climatic. Maybe have one bracelet event after the main but that's it.

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07-15-2018 , 06:30 PM

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PTLou

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Originally Posted by Yuv

I kinda feel like big drop is a disappointing event regardless of the final entrants number.

A few years ago they had .....

... contingent of rec players from Macau and other rec player business dude types to give regs some sort of edge on their $1,000,000 bet.

In 2018, as the entrants sit now (with a few exceptions) its just reg on reg violence. Maybe the recs figured out playing super deepstack against some of the smartest players in the world (and Antonio

) prob not the best idea and are going to max late reg.

oh. great final table and epic HU battle in Main. so much fun to watch.

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07-15-2018 , 06:41 PM

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Yuv

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Originally Posted by PTLou

) prob not the best idea and are going to max late reg.

The first table had Einhorn, Seigal and Talal (who might be very good for a rec but obviously not an elite pro). Add Negreanu and Esfendiari who I'm sure all the young pros feel they have a great edge on. Also you had Rick Solomon and Cary Katz who already paid the deposit.
I don't think it's a tougher field than the SHR where they 'sold out' months before the event.

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07-15-2018 , 06:48 PM

#5200

Sooga

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I don't know if I'd have tanked as long as Cynn, but I do know from experience that just taking a math test when I'm tired and half asleep, it takes me like 15 seconds just to make sure simple arithmetic is right. Like, 17+14 = 31? Am I sure? It might be 21. I have to double check.

And that's just by myself when a stupid exam is on the line - not $3+ million and the eyes of thousands of people on you. Cynn was probably half asleep and thinking, "Wait, I really have trip Kings? And I'm being bet into all in? Am I sure there's not a straight out there? What about a flush? Wait, I still have trip kings, right?" etc etc

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