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07-12-2022 , 04:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Roger Ramjet
Any links to the hand? cheers
Action panned to the feature table with the board showing the 5s 5d 4c Qs 7s board. Bruno Desimoni bet 600,000 with 4c4d in the hijack. William Nunley then check-raised to 1,870,000 from early position with A8ss , which put Desimoni all-in.

With the pot at 3,245,000, the GGPoker Qualifier went deep into the tank with his full house and ended up folding the best hand.
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07-12-2022 , 04:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Rmbxr9
I just got to that hand, wow. World Series of Nits laddering

I guess find a better spot for your 30 Bigs than 44 on
554rQ7 back door flush comes in
Lol yeah crazy. Just found out he was a Club GG qualifier so I guess that would explain to a degree at least him being a super nit.

He basically won a seat by paying $49.95 to Club GG to play in a wsop main qualifier.

So obv the money jumps are huge for him I get that. But you just can't fold a flopped full house on the river. Not on that board and who cares if the dude just sat down at the table.

It will probably go down as 1 of the worst folds in wsop history. It was atrocious.
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07-12-2022 , 04:41 AM
Dan Smith yes I know he is considered world class but he still seems rusty to me watching him. The QQ hand day 4.

Then he has AA and on the flop just shoves all in for 40 bbs. The other guy had AK and wouldn't have called anyways for any amount. But Nick thought Dan would bet 20% pot. Flop was 1094.

Then Dan makes 2 pair on the river but Zhang got there with broadway and Dan bet 625k. Zhang then check raises him to 2.2 million and yes Dan has A6 for aces up. But that was a huge check raise river bet and Dan didn't even think too long before calling.

I think even against someone like Zhang that should have been a fold. Too many hands beat Dan' A6 on a 3J610A board.
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07-12-2022 , 04:50 AM
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Originally Posted by EastCoastBalla

It will probably go down as 1 of the worst folds in wsop history. It was atrocious.
I 100% expect to come back to the board tomorrow and see 8 posts about how it's a trivial fold, borderline easy
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07-12-2022 , 04:52 AM
I don't see much of a difference in folding 44 on a 554Q7 board and A6 on a 3J6TA board to a river check-raise.
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07-12-2022 , 04:57 AM
You don't but ECB does because he can see both hands.
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07-12-2022 , 05:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Rmbxr9
I 100% expect to come back to the board tomorrow and see 8 posts about how it's a trivial fold, borderline easy
Haha probably true.
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07-12-2022 , 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by BDHarrison
I don't see much of a difference in folding 44 on a 554Q7 board and A6 on a 3J6TA board to a river check-raise.
Oh I'm sorry I didn't realize that 2 pair is just as good as a full house. I better check my hand rankings again.
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07-12-2022 , 05:04 AM
This table would get on my last nerve. Zhang never shuts up which can be especially irritating late in a huge tournament like this. Actually in any tournament. Can't wear headphones to tune him out. Who knows maybe that's part of his strategy to get under the players skin and take them off their game.
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07-12-2022 , 05:09 AM
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Originally Posted by EastCoastBalla
Oh I'm sorry I didn't realize that 2 pair is just as good as a full house. I better check my hand rankings again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law

This applies to most of your posts, most of the time I legit cannot tell if you are trolling or not.
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07-12-2022 , 05:10 AM
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Originally Posted by EastCoastBalla
Dan Smith yes I know he is considered world class but he still seems rusty to me watching him. The QQ hand day 4.

Then he has AA and on the flop just shoves all in for 40 bbs. The other guy had AK and wouldn't have called anyways for any amount. But Nick thought Dan would bet 20% pot. Flop was 1094.

Then Dan makes 2 pair on the river but Zhang got there with broadway and Dan bet 625k. Zhang then check raises him to 2.2 million and yes Dan has A6 for aces up. But that was a huge check raise river bet and Dan didn't even think too long before calling.

I think even against someone like Zhang that should have been a fold. Too many hands beat Dan' A6 on a 3J610A board.
Hard to see if you are trolling or not as stated. You somehow always know the best play after seeing the hand play out and hole cards - who'd have thought it. You got a Hendon Mob? I presume you're crushing hard despite just being results orientated in every strat post you post on NVG. If Smith calls his stack off w/ 86o vs 42o BvB on 764r and Zhang binks a 4 otr you're in here telling us how Smith never needed to raise/call off otf there, and could have waited to for a better spot. But ofc Smith is going to readjust.

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07-12-2022 , 05:13 AM
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Originally Posted by ProffesionalMalaka
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law

This applies to most of your posts, most of the time I legit cannot tell if you are trolling or not.
Bro I don't care what you can tell. I'm giving my opinion. If you don't like it put me on ignore.
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07-12-2022 , 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by samcx
You somehow always know the best play after seeing the hand play out and hole cards, who'd have thought it. You got a Hendon Mob? I presume you're crushing hard despite just being results orientated in every strat post you post on NVG. If Smith calls his stack off w/ 86o vs 42o BvB on 764r and Zhang binks a 4 otr you're in here telling us how Smith never needed to bet/call flop there. He still had xx hands left! But ofc Smith is going to readjust.
Nice exaggeration.
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07-12-2022 , 05:17 AM
FH fold = bad.

2 pair call = bad.

Rationale = FH > 2 pair.

Therefore, you should call with FH and fold 2 pair.
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07-12-2022 , 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by EastCoastBalla
Oh I'm sorry I didn't realize that 2 pair is just as good as a full house. I better check my hand rankings again.
They're both both bluff-catchers against a river check-raise unless an opponent is over-playing a hand and making a bad value raise.
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07-12-2022 , 05:17 AM
I can tell you are angry now. Step in the right direction.
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07-12-2022 , 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by spaceman Bryce
What does peter east gate do now?
He started investing in Cryptos back in 2013 . Lives in Copenhagen.
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07-12-2022 , 05:20 AM
Isn't it 5 am on Tuesday in EC? You should slow your roll buddy. You're balling out of control!
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07-12-2022 , 05:25 AM
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Originally Posted by EastCoastBalla
Nice exaggeration.
Can you find a decent number of posts in here this year of you advocating a play as good despite the result not going the players way? In no world is Smith folding A6 after seeing BvB spew by Zhang, Zhang has shown he bets or jams for no logical reason w/ his specific hand in a lot of spots.
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07-12-2022 , 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by tsl82
Action panned to the feature table with the board showing the 5s 5d 4c Qs 7s board. Bruno Desimoni bet 600,000 with 4c4d in the hijack. William Nunley then check-raised to 1,870,000 from early position with A8ss , which put Desimoni all-in.

With the pot at 3,245,000, the GGPoker Qualifier went deep into the tank with his full house and ended up folding the best hand.

cheers. what a sad nit lol.
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07-12-2022 , 05:29 AM
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Originally Posted by samcx
Can you find a decent number of posts in here this year of you advocating a play as good despite the result not going the players way? In no world is Smith folding A6 after seeing BvB spew by Zhang, Zhang has shown he bets or jams for no logical reason w/ his specific hand in a lot of spots.
A river check raise that was almost 4x of Dan' 625k bet just screamed of strength. Sure Zhang bluffed throughout the day but I can't recall him ever bluffing after checking the river. Maybe I'm wrong and I just don't remember. The river check raise was also huge. A6 on that board after getting check raised big on the river shrinks up. Even from a guy like Zhang.
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07-12-2022 , 06:27 AM
Start of day chip leader Taylor Von Kriegenbergh out before the end of the day.
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07-12-2022 , 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by DogFace
Speaking of Eastgate and Aldemir, here's a fun bit of analysis:

In 2008, Eastgate survived 6,843 eliminations to win the Main Event. In 2009, he survived another 6,416 eliminations to finish 78th. So he effectively played one extremely long Main Event, surviving 13,259 eliminations before finally being felted. He probably played about 15 days of Main Event poker before busting.

In 2021, Aldemir survived 6,649 eliminations to win the Main Event. As of the time of writing this, he has survived 8,480 eliminations in 2022. So he has effectively played one extremely long Main Event, surviving 15,129 eliminations without yet being felted. This is the longest cumulative run in Main Event history, so from that standpoint it's the best back-to-back performance ever. Other notable back-to-back performances took place in much smaller fields (Brunson, Ungar, Chan, Raymer, Eastgate).
I've seen the mentions of these other back to back runs and impressive second year finishes mentions throughout this thread and others and not once have I seen someone mention mark newhouses b2b year after year final tables in midfle of, regardless of the resulting two 9th place finishes as a result. I don't understand how that isn't impressive as f ...? I know a fair amount of poker type basics of news scandals cheats ripoffs nonpayerbackers and dirtbags of various sorts poker or personal related etc through the years...

I've never heard anything about him through this particular grapevine or others about being a pos as a person or player as I have a multitude of other garbage we all know.
I guess my question is...am I missing something uncommonly known or reported about him that makes people hate him and not respect him or what?... Because, honestly I'm quite the reading lurker and no one has said anything positive about that feat which seems pretty bada s to me...and equally no one has claimed negative things about him that I can see either. Please explain someone.
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07-12-2022 , 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by LimpDitka
This seems real fishy , I'm not going to lie. He's giving his opponent what 9/1 odds? With two flush draws, 3 to the straight out there. He either had a tell or...?
It looks like really poor play on both their parts, I’m not sure why they’re calling it the possible best bluff ever. If he folded with a covering stack getting almost 9/1 then it was a poor 4b sizing because it’s basically a jam as you’re obligated to call a shove unless you literally have napkins as he must have. I’m 100% sure AJ was the best hand as played.

Regarding the 44 hand and the A6 2p, I definitely think folding 44 is absolutely terrible with the back door flush landing and starting with 30bb effectively on that specific board, and based on Zhang’s image which was well documented for anyone reading any media whatsoever, I think him calling with A6 is perfectly fine although I don’t think he expects to win a lot of the time.

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07-12-2022 , 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Meh Whatever
I've seen the mentions of these other back to back runs and impressive second year finishes mentions throughout this thread and others and not once have I seen someone mention mark newhouses b2b year after year final tables in midfle of, regardless of the resulting two 9th place finishes as a result. I don't understand how that isn't impressive as f ...? I know a fair amount of poker type basics of news scandals cheats ripoffs nonpayerbackers and dirtbags of various sorts poker or personal related etc through the years...

I've never heard anything about him through this particular grapevine or others about being a pos as a person or player as I have a multitude of other garbage we all know.
I guess my question is...am I missing something uncommonly known or reported about him that makes people hate him and not respect him or what?... Because, honestly I'm quite the reading lurker and no one has said anything positive about that feat which seems pretty bada s to me...and equally no one has claimed negative things about him that I can see either. Please explain someone.
Newhouse tweeting that he's "not f-cking finishing 9th again" is still absolute gold, what are the chances.

Other notable achievements:

Michael Ruane deserves a mention, 4th & 10th b2b years, busted late on around 150th Day 5 this year too.
Joe Cada also, 2009 winner, winning 3 NL bracelets in the next 9 years before 5th in the main again.

I'm rooting for Aldemir anyway to FT, would be great.
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