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why is the WSOP  requiring players cards for its cash games? why is the WSOP  requiring players cards for its cash games?

05-31-2015 , 04:08 PM
TT is an arrogant *******. So much so, the flagship for arrogance the, inner circle of 2+2 had to bounce TT out.

Other than that he is a great guy.

This post will probably get me banned.
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05-31-2015 , 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Koko the munkey

Buy your chips ahead of time.
So much this. Had a few situations this weekend where I'd come back from a bathroom break to some dude with cash that's disguised behind their stack to find out they agreed his cash could play and I find out during a river bet.

Also had one guy at my table purposely betting annoying sizing to people with those $100 markers.
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05-31-2015 , 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by bylaw
TT is an arrogant *******. So much so, the flagship for arrogance the, inner circle of 2+2 had to bounce TT out.

Other than that he is a great guy.

This post will probably get me banned.
In other words, you've never met TT.
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05-31-2015 , 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Uh*Oh
That's odd, I've never been asked for identification on entering any casino in my life. Admittedly, I haven't been back to Vegas since California went non-smoking, is this something recent? Or maybe you look under 21 and that's why you're carded.
The majority of casinos in the world require membership before entering. It's just an American thing to let people come in willy nilly. I know some states check ID before you can enter, but they don't log you, it's just because of alcohol. They should be logging everyone.

There have been a number of thefts in European casinos that were resolved, and they wouldn't have been without this. That cuts down on the crime quite a bit. Counterfeit chips, stolen plaques, stolen handbags...all the criminals doing it get caught.

Every year for the last five years there has been a robbery at the Rio cash games, and a few in the parking lot. I've not heard of anyone being caught. The worst are the two guys that played big cash, lost the pot, and then refused to put their money in the pot, and got to walk away free with only a verbal 86 as they left the property. Who knows if they were disguising their face so they can come back later and do the same thing.
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05-31-2015 , 04:57 PM
I get this strange thing where the casino will ask for my ID the first time I enter, then never again. This has happened to me at multiple places.

Requiring a card during WSOP seems like a lot of extra work for the RIO. They'll need to log thousands of people.
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05-31-2015 , 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by *TT*
Lot of incorrect info in this thread.

The card is necessary so the staff knows you have a card before cashout occurs. During cashout, the cashier may ask to see your card once again along with ID if your transaction is large enough to warrant a Currency Transaction Report or Suspicious Activity Report which be sent to the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN), an agency of the United States Treasury. Consider this a precautionary measure so the cashout process is easier and Caesars is in compliance with FinCEN requirements.

Speaking of FinCEN, Caesars is expected to pay a 20 Million dollar fine for not following reporting standards to combat money laundering - http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...0XC1LS20150415.

- TT
And you are correct 100%. This is about protecting themselves from liability, and not the players. It's kind of sickening. It still won't stop people from structuring things who don't want to be found at all.
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05-31-2015 , 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by *TT*
Lot of incorrect info in this thread.

The card is necessary so the staff knows you have a card before cashout occurs. During cashout, the cashier may ask to see your card once again along with ID if your transaction is large enough to warrant a Currency Transaction Report or Suspicious Activity Report which be sent to the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN), an agency of the United States Treasury. Consider this a precautionary measure so the cashout process is easier and Caesars is in compliance with FinCEN requirements.

Speaking of FinCEN, Caesars is expected to pay a 20 Million dollar fine for not following reporting standards to combat money laundering - http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...0XC1LS20150415.

- TT
.... and the delicious free buffet you can earn with those sweet player points. As usual TT, thank you for the explanation, makes perfect sense.
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05-31-2015 , 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Uh*Oh
The casino may insist that you use a 'player card' for their own reasons, but they have nothing to do with FinCEN requirements. Only legal ID will suffice if you go above the threshold. I can see why they want the public to believe it's linked though.

I don't disagree, you can instead provide ID - but this process helps speed up the cage reporting requirements.

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Originally Posted by bylaw
TT is an arrogant *******. So much so, the flagship for arrogance the, inner circle of 2+2 had to bounce TT out.

Other than that he is a great guy.

This post will probably get me banned.

Did I ban u at one time back when I worked for 2+2 or win a big pot off you or something? I can assure you I wasn't bounced. You can accuse me of being pompous, and that might be correct. But I don't think anyone would call me arrogant - I'm someone who works in poker biz behind the scenes, quietly. I don't look for a spotlight. I can accomplish more this way.

With that said, glad u think I'm still a great guy ;/). And I can assure you that nobody would ban you for that post unless it was discovered that you were banned before in the past for a real issue.

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Originally Posted by wheelflush
In other words, you've never met TT.

Have we met? That's very nice of you!

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Originally Posted by hmm422
The majority of casinos in the world require membership before entering. It's just an American thing to let people come in willy nilly. I know some states check ID before you can enter, but they don't log you, it's just because of alcohol. They should be logging everyone.



There have been a number of thefts in European casinos that were resolved, and they wouldn't have been without this. That cuts down on the crime quite a bit. Counterfeit chips, stolen plaques, stolen handbags...all the criminals doing it get caught.

Agree. Traveling through Europe opened my eyes, in many markets you need a passport or ID card that is checked before you even walk in the building.

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Originally Posted by hmm422
And you are correct 100%. This is about protecting themselves from liability, and not the players. It's kind of sickening. It still won't stop people from structuring things who don't want to be found at all.

Agree, but I don't think it's sickening. It's a minor issue, much ado about nothing IMHO. And your right, this is only a deterrent - it will not stop structuring. But it's a first step, and if it makes FinCEN happy then that's a good thing.
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05-31-2015 , 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by *TT*

Agree, but I don't think it's sickening. It's a minor issue, much ado about nothing IMHO. And your right, this is only a deterrent - it will not stop structuring. But it's a first step, and if it makes FinCEN happy then that's a good thing.
Maybe I was unclear. What is sickening is they do nothing to protect the players at all. No security at all in the cash game room. Every robbery has just been people walking, or sometimes jogging out of the room. Security doesn't even try to stop it.
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05-31-2015 , 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by TT
Have we met? That's very nice of you!
Lets see if this narrows it down. Last time I was in Vegas we had japanese curry.
Back on topic... Rio security is a joke. Get a players card. Surrender your privacy. Don't structure. Don't end up like Denny Hastert. Got it.
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