Dont tell that to online poker pros on this site.

mrno you sound really upset that you chose a career path that doesn't pay **** the first 10-15 years. Sorry, I don't know what else to say besides you should have foreseen it when you first decided to study math and physics as a major.

People are whining because I don't know how to fix your situation considering you're on the straight and arrow path to work in education or research which generally pays crap. If you really love what you do and study and you can survive on the pay its not so bad is it? I still can't believe you didn't think about this before you started studying your major.

I was specifically talking about IT being within 6 figure range within 3 years if you know your ****, your good with people and you're aggressive.

I don't know specifics about other industries like insurance, health, finance, sales etc but generally speaking, having the right contacts, being aggressive and outworking and out hustling everyone else will probably get someone within 6 figs in less than 5 years.

One thing is for certain. You can't simply go through the motions and put the min amount of work in and expect to be paid lots of money. Working your ass off, knowing your business like none other, and being good with relationships, knowing how to market yourself and working towards being very valuable to employers ie MAKING OR SAVING THEM MONEY is key. It's the entire package.

Fingers are still typing but Mr Brain is long gone...

I'm sorry you don't have a clue how the world or business works? You can have all the degree you want. End of the day it doesn't really matter. What matters is if you're good with people and you're good at converting what you know/ your skills into making or saving your boss lots of money. Without it you won't get high pay. Simple as that.

Just curious, what is it exactly you do for a living?

My money's on him ditching high school to read Coding for Dummies and rake it in.

to be fair with the way you seem to be treating people on here Todd I wouldn't say you are anywhere close to being good with people

Exactly what I was about to post..Todd obviously has zero social skills but I do find him highly entertaining .

There are certainly people beating higher than 200NL, or 200NL for that much, but I highly doubt anyone is putting in 12 hr days consistently.

Besides, why would you want to? Life is about tradeoffs. If poker was my only option for a living I certainly wouldn't be doing it for 12hrs a day just so I could say I made 6 figures. I'd be much more likely to play half as often then at least you have a semblance of a life. I'm probably not alone in that.

Thing is, why wouldn't you just put that amount of effort into something that takes 1/20th the brain power on a daily basis to do? Why would I play poker for 6 hrs a day and spend countless hours studying it when I can just get a regular job for 8 hrs a day and make the same amount, with actual potential for more? Sure sure making 100k 3 years out of school isn't necessarily likely, but I did it, and I'm sure others can too. But what if it's 75k? Or 50k? Beats grinding it out for lemonade stand money.

I graduated from a similarly ranked university at the end of the 20th century in maths and computing. Jesus, that's no higher than decent graduates were getting paid then. Can you even live in London on that much these days? How soon before you get your own place where you can take a girl back to for dinner without housemates?

My info is out of date but if you are on for a good grade and committed to staying in the UK then consider becoming an actuary. I wasn't on for a good grade so I just messed about with computers, but at that time there was tons of IT work.

Also consider whether the best for you would be regulated professions (law, accounting, actuarial work), which have the advantage that they are relatively protected from competition (e.g. from hordes of Polish people) but you are relatively stuck in your comfy squirrel hole, or unregulated professions (particularly IT) where there is no protection from competition but once you pick up experience it is a lot easier for you to set up your own business or change country.

Jeez you are stupid. Because Todd is going to apply the exact same way of talking to business people he respects as when he's razzing a bunch of deluded "poker pros" on the internet right?

Funny when someone with clues like him shows up and the grinders start squawking. He's spot on in most his posts. It's just a reality check u guys can't handle

+1

I can't help to not flick **** at people who are only looking for sympathy when they don't deserve any. What they do need is a non sugar coated reality check.

well you're both wrong, can't really add more to that, cheers

well you are also wrong if you think that only way to get 100k is through poker. most people don't get it and ones that do won't be able to maintain it in the upcoming years.

That's probably true, but the problem is that it is likely attainable for only very short time. Taking into consideration how terribly poker's economy has tanked in recent years, I would snapcall $50K job with a future over $100K poker income for couple of years.

The percentage of "pros" make 100k+ is probably less than 1% considering most pros are playing under 200nl and edges are soooo small and shrinking. Probably more like .5%. So we're talking the best of the best of the best. And morons like fayth are actually saying that the odds of pushing 100k range in the real world (around 3 years for it, 5 years for others) is lower than making it in poker. You can't really get any dumber than that.

You call them out on it and they run to mods and report you for being a big meanie!

You have no way of knowing that. Most people who make that much don't exactly advertise to other regs where they play so they can get more regs at their tables.
There are guys playing mid stakes in PGC who post hands of them collecting donations from terrible players (hint: it's rarely on Stars).
Joe Ingram recently finally revealed he made 500k playing 2kPLO on Bovada because he was smart enough to grind a stupid soft site.
As fayth already said you could spin your whole "be persistent, stop moaning and do the work" shtick to apply to making it in poker. You are the one who's bitching about poker. "sniff sniff can't make it in the tough world of poker, woe is me". But I'm not exactly surprised you're mentally deficient enough not to see this.

Considering my friend Todd here made this account specifically to s**tpost in this thread I imagine he's a bitter old user who failed at poker and wanted to be an obnoxious tw*t to people still trying without it reflecting on his main acc.
This thread has been going in circles for ages now, don't see the point anymore...

lol who said 100k is only attainable through poker, I just said it's very unlikely to get a 100k salary with 2-3 yrs study..... prove me wrong

I would agree that the percentage of pros making 100k+ isn't very high.

For pros who have made 100k in a year before at cash games, I think it is very easy to make 100k if you are willing to put in work and often times more work than you put in during the past when you made more money.

For new players looking to get to that point on Pokerstars, it is going to be very challenging for reasons that I really haven't seen discussed too often. Most players at the 2/4 and 2/5+ levels have been professional players for many years. The ones who are still around now tend to be ones who still actively work on their game and have much experience playing at Zoom and Regular table format. At PLO especially, this gives the existing regulars a huge edge over a player who is coming up the stakes that only plays Zoom. There are many different situations a Zoom only PLO player will not encounter often playing 100/200 against inferior regulars.

I'm not sure what the state of NL cash games on Pokerstars is with regards to that but I imagine it is a bit different with Pio becoming such a prevalent thing. I still think that players who were/are good at regular table cash games are going to have an edge over players who come up only playing Zoom.


This is only for Pokerstars tho. If you are a newer player looking to make 100k and you can't do it on Pokerstars, you have to get creative and you really have to put more time working/perfecting your approach/strategies. How long this opportunity will be there is really unknown but I think for someone capable of making 100k now at NL or PLO, you will be able to for a few years, provided you are willing to work harder and play lower stakes/more sites than you have in previous years.

Here are the avenues for myself that I think 100k is possible without a tonnnn of variance with RB

All PLO- Pokerstars
2/5 Zoom + good 5/10 10/20
2/5 Zoom Only
1/2-3/6 Regular Tables
1/2 Zoom Only
.50/1 Zoom Only
.25/.50-.50/1 Zoom Only

Bovada
Every Stake down to 1/2

Combine Euro Sites/ACR
1/2 - 5/10 with minimal game selection
2/4- 3/6 with really strong game selection


Some things to try

Start game selecting more
Realize the 2nd/3rd/4th levels to game selection
Study seat selection dynamics
Explore different sites and times of days
Play lower than you normally do during certain times
Keep refining your game playing against good players and don't fall into seat script mode



This is all still possible for someone rising the ranks but it takes a long time to master many of these things. I'm not sure what the landscape will look like by the time most people do but I wouldn't worry about it. I would focus on getting better and worrying about that when the time comes. The qualities and abilities you learn along the way will serve you will in whatever it is you decide to do next if you can become really good at them.

Find fish/exploit fish

That is all you need to do

You should be able to make that in a good 2 weeks with those games

Getting to those stakes is the hard part papi

are you saying stakes below 5/10 and below on bovada are tougher than 10/20?

From what I've seen so far on high stakes PLO podcast 50/1 on stars is tougher then 10 20
bovada and it's amazing lol that doesn't exist on stars... 2 pros and 4 fish playing 60 20 or something ridiculous... Good luck finding that and getting that seat on stars... Be about 20 ppl waiting on the table...

I gotta start exploring options outside stars it appears

oh, well of course bovada is easier than stars, it has only Canadians and Americans lol, what do you expect

Lol no idea bro... Mind it pretty blown to be honest... I think it may be time for a shot on a new site tho