What company do you work for? Im PE as well.

I lived in Quebec for a year. The countryside is nice and Quebec city is sweet. Montreal is full of Africans. You can't get a steak to save your life there. Alberta is nicer imo.

No you don't but if you choose good field you will get up there. If not in 2 years than maybe in 5-6. Very few poker pros make 100k these days probably less than 1% and most of them won't find it sustainable in the long run anyway.

Do people feel it's still sustainable to make en extra 5-10k a year in micros/ssnl to supplement an income or are the player pools too tough/nitty to have/realise an edge against?

There are an astronomical number of jobs that pay that much and more, compared to the number of online poker pros making over 100k.

I want to tear you a new ******* for asking something so dumb but I wont. The answer is yes. There are people with edges at 10/20 +, there are plenty edges to push at the micros for 5 -10k a year

Because of ignition and acr

If you want your low-stress income to be dependent on some dude in the cashout thread actually sending you his bitcoin for your poker site money.....

I Remember some graphs of like 2010/2011 players making 100k on Nl200.
Been playing just for fun in todays games but i still have some notes on some regs and its funny to see 2010/11 NL50/100 regs playing NL5.

As said the percentage of regs making 100k a year from Poker is decreasing from year to year.
And yes there are still players making 100k a year but its the same story as some business man get from 0$ to billionaires

Waste of time though. You're making less than minimum wage in any western country.

I don't know about eastern europe or 3rd world countries, but for anyone to even consider playing poker for a living in a 1st world western country, you have to be playing at least 100nl.

Self explanatory point: poker is not a career either. No online pro is still going to be grinding in their 40's and 50's. Which is why anyone who isn't making a killing at the game should prepare themselves for a real job in the next few years.

There's a reason why most intelligent pros are either diversifying into staking/coaching/business or getting out of the game entirely.

Poker as a job is obviously getting harder and harder no doubt. That is what competition and greedy site does to someones bottom line. The smart players don't put all their eggs in one basket. Adjust or get left behind. Poker will always be a fun little vice but to not look 5 or even 2-3 years down the road if you are making 80%+ of your income from poker is not preparing for a catastrophic scenario.

Better save for a rainy days because its going to happen for poker. I do not see another poker boom in the horizon, its only going to get more difficult. I am not suggesting you quit poker i am saying start preparing for your future if poker is majority of your income.

An enthusiast's outside perspective:

The 1% making 100k+ per year is probably pretty likely. I don't think I need to explain why that is the case but here's a few reasons: info; cost of info today vs. yesterday; lack of growth. The info is pretty stagnant, much like the economy, and the top few percentile are receiving basic exclusivity.

We can also look at it like a basic ecosystem. Again, the majority of you are quite intelligent- I don't find the need to explain. The vast majority of players have very little access to the top 1%. Aggressively eat, scare, threaten the smaller fish-- all or any of those reasons-- and they go away. That hurts.

I'm sure there are plenty of people who fly under the radar and live a comfortable life playing poker, especially live, and find no need to share their successes. This may make the number closer to 2%, or maybe a little higher.

But I have to say GTO for long-term proliferation of poker isn't fist-pumping Mike Dentale, passive-aggressive Marty Derbyshire, or ridiculous rakes. And this isn't meant towards any one of us in particular, but the poker community as a whole isn't overwhelmingly welcoming like it may have once been. One can argue that it never was and that's certainly a viable argument, too, because the element of aggression and intimidation in poker is only natural.

How much of that 'natural' aggression and intimidation should be curved I'm not sure. Does poker draw out predator-like mentalities and over time strengthen it; or does poker naturally draw predators to it? I'm not sure, but for serious longevity, it would behoove us to think differently about how new players are welcomed. Instead, anymore, it's more like an initiation.

Totally agree.

And now ask yourself what % of players run significantly above expectation or not even that but just run hot with setups (seems like would be more than 1%) and you basically have eliminated the so called skill edge of poker.

It's now a contest between who runs good and who runs bad. It's now gambling.

Agreed that there is a certain element of illusion created with regards to running g00t and bad and I'm sure in individual stake levels it's a little more evident in some more than in others.

Everyone has an edge somewhere however; so game selection is much more important than it was not too long ago.

you just gotta third world it baby.can get by for 1k a month which includes getting drunk a couple times a week.

nah, plenty of people fly under the radar, even online, not everybody wants to be a superstar

The response you quoted was answering the question if someone could make that amount at micros to SUPPLEMENT their income. Wasn't in regards to a full time income to live off of.

That's true but the same maths still applies. If it is going to be alongside a regular job then its maybe only 10 hours a week, 40 weeks a year - you still need a good hourly for it to be anything more than just a free/profitable hobby

how is it relevent the life people choose to live, some people make 100k a year in a normal job and they think they can afford a 50k car lol

His point is that there are very intelligent people living below the radar using funds in intelligent ways. These same people employ basic personas- innately or unnaturally it doesn't matter- to manipulate a stereotype.

Flamboyant buyers of material goods have no means of being one who flies under the radar in the poker world.

Lol found this on my Computer from 2010/11



24 tabling Nl2 6max with 14/8 Stats for 13bb

This is pretty good point. People overemphasise the skill gap all the time, mostly when they're stroking their own ego.

No doubt there is edges between the majority of players, but they're mostly tiny/insignificant and you could only analyse them over an impossible sample.

When it comes to top 1% playing against the 99%, I disagree. I would call your explanation an excuse.

Example: golfers. The mindset, readiness, effort, experience (even for the young guys on the PGA Tour) is so clear who is going to be remembered for a long time and who is going to sizzle out. As soon as Spieth came on Tour, it was clear he was going to be a long-term winner just by his mentality, confidence, and work-ethic. It was the same with Tiger, Mickelson, Duval, Singh, I could go on.

On any given day put Mickelson against an elite amateur, and the amateur may win 2-4 times out of ten. Put Volpe against Mike Dentale, and it's going to be the same.

That's a helluva lot more than certain pro sports. For instance pro tennis you have to be top 100 to make a living and top 50 to make serious money