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05-27-2023 , 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Fat_Vicious
So instead of broadcasting this dumpsterfire of a stream, they should have made the game 1k/2k+5k, enforce a minimum buy in of one million dollar and then go from there. Add bomb pots, add mandatory rounds of straddles, stand up games, PLO Flips... You can't tell me you won't find enough players for that; who are loaded enough to handle the swings. Call some Las Vegas or Macao billionaires, call some super pros, et voila, we have a game.
This entire post reads like a brain dead reddit comment from a basement dweller who has put zero thought into the reality of what you're talking about.

F the Joey haters.

This game so far has been just tepid as yesterday except Bart's commentating has been great as usual.

F Ben and production for blocking Airball from playing whos the guy thats been keeping this ship floating since Gman left and would have cured the game from its boredom both in terms of talk and play.
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05-27-2023 , 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by AAJTo

F Ben and production for blocking Airball from playing whos the guy thats been keeping this ship floating since Gman left and would have cured the game from its boredom both in terms of talk and play.
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05-27-2023 , 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by AAJTo
This entire post reads like a brain dead reddit comment from a basement dweller who has put zero thought into the reality of what you're talking about.
Basement dweller indeed, so maybe you'd like to elaborate a little bit more on WHY the post sounds brain dead to you? Maybe I can learn.
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05-27-2023 , 09:23 PM
JRB getting his SPI, but has actually made some really good lay downs. He's just running bad.
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05-27-2023 , 09:32 PM
Would like to see something like this with PLO
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05-27-2023 , 09:33 PM
If you are watching this for "poker", there are plenty of different replays of mega pros that will likely be more interesting to you,

If you are watching for "entertainment", this is hilarious and the tension is perfect.

(yea it wasn't $1mill in BI, the Huss uncomfortable laugh is cringe, Ben is def a partner of some sort)

It's really all about what demo HCL wants to try and corner, this game will get reallll good if Ben and JRB remain stuck.
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05-27-2023 , 09:42 PM
Ben whinging and whinging about standing up while up 400k , how is this guy calling the shots , outrageous
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05-27-2023 , 09:46 PM
Tony G hopes to turn gay
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05-27-2023 , 09:47 PM
This feels like a book club where I already kinda don’t like the book but I have to read it in order to make some contribution in this club that’s relevant.
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05-27-2023 , 09:59 PM
The standup game is way more interesting when the players actually have to standup.

One of the biggest complaints of watching poker from non poker players is that it's hard to follow and it looks like nothing is actually happening. It's just 8 middle aged white guys (typically) sitting around a table.

The standup game literally creates some onscreen action and is very easy to follow. Last person standing loses.

**** Ben
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05-27-2023 , 10:07 PM
Explain Airball on the bench with an empty seat 1? Is it Ben? JRB? Feldman?
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05-27-2023 , 10:12 PM


get him in there

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Originally Posted by SetTheLine
Explain Airball on the bench with an empty seat 1? Is it Ben? JRB? Feldman?
Ben denied him yesterday. JRB and Tony were for it.

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05-27-2023 , 10:33 PM
Agree that HCL has gone too far trying to cultivate non-pro lineups.

One thing that pros have going for them, is many are really good at keeping the game entertaining and fun, even if they are the biggest long-term winners.

They also make for better villains, and are capable of much greater agression, balance, and creaticity, which will lead to much more interesting hands for pokers to watch. Many recreational players also enjoy the challenge of playing professionals.

Today's lineup has some decent personality and gamble, but for some reason the mood seems a little off.

I also feel like the commentary has stagnated a bit. 2 in the booth is almost always better.

Plus why not put Veronica/joeyingram/jungle in the booth? Etc.
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05-27-2023 , 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by monikrazy
Today's lineup has some decent personality and gamble, but for some reason the mood seems a little off.
There is a weird dynamic between RY and Huss (due to the perceived slowroll), especially after telling him "you wouldn't be invited to the games we are in."

I think RY been rich and probably cultivates plenty of games with the intention of keeping solid/regs/pros out of these private high stakes for so many years he knows who is there just to make money and will likely not be a long term loser, or gambler, he has been needling him the whole time.

It's almost like he seeing a mirror image of playing styles to himself at the table and doesn't want it to be there.

It doesn't help that Huss comes off a bit disingenuous, like a solid player trying to "be apart of the in crowd" doesn't help that he showed his hand about really being a plo guy, where as Stanley didn't chat much at all and is also unlikely to be included in the extra curriculars.
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05-27-2023 , 10:42 PM
A 6K bounty for the standup game is way too small. Especially when the 2K straddle is basically on everyhand

The standup bounty should be at least 10 big blinds and arguably 10 true big blinds (including the ante).
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05-27-2023 , 10:57 PM
Literally any pro at this point. It's sad what live poker has become with not allowing anyone who might be +EV into a game.

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Originally Posted by Fat_Vicious
Basement dweller indeed, so maybe you'd like to elaborate a little bit more on WHY the post sounds brain dead to you? Maybe I can learn.
Expecting people to fly from Macau or Eastern Europe with millions of dollars in cash, to play a game of certain stakes on stream (when some people like to be anonymous and even recs may not want to reveal their strategies) shows you're a basement dweller.

You're expecting people to just show up with as much money combined as it costs to make a Hollywood movie or buy a decent sized business just because you think it's easy and will happen "voila"???? What are you talking about? Have you ever even hosted a game before? Are you playing 5/10++ regularly? It's a lot of money to just be liquid in.

The stakes you're asking for is enormous. The players are humans, with real money they had to work hard for (or their relative worked hard for w/e), and they don't exist just for your entertainment.

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05-27-2023 , 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by AAJTo


get him in there



Ben denied him yesterday. JRB and Tony were for it.
JRB kicked him out this time.

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05-27-2023 , 11:20 PM
I’ll play
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05-27-2023 , 11:22 PM
JRB playing the selfish whale card is a joke right? Sleeps through one day. Locks up 2 seats the next day and nurses a short stack.
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05-27-2023 , 11:26 PM
Mariano's private game sounds like more action than the actual million dollar game.
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05-28-2023 , 12:23 AM
Is it just me, or has the NLHE cash game strategy just changed that much, or stream strategy metagame playing a role?

Because I have seen abnormally large amount of check back(s) on some of these rivers.....

(Or is the community as a whole accepted the 'I can't get called by worse' logic?)
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05-28-2023 , 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Hell2Heaven
Is it just me, or has the NLHE cash game strategy just changed that much, or stream strategy metagame playing a role?

Because I have seen abnormally large amount of check back(s) on some of these rivers.....

This is what happens when people are playing deeper than they are willing to stack off for without the nuts. Being scared to get check raised for a large amount.



There's only so many people in the world who can comfortably play for 500k or 1mil bullets. Regardless if it's their own money or they sold some.


At some point, the money stops being big blinds and starts being a dollar amount and matter to people again. Streams how now just found out what that dollar amount is.
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05-28-2023 , 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Hell2Heaven
Is it just me, or has the NLHE cash game strategy just changed that much, or stream strategy metagame playing a role?

Because I have seen abnormally large amount of check back(s) on some of these rivers.....

(Or is the community as a whole accepted the 'I can't get called by worse' logic?)
Its just due to the lineups (so far) being all recreational players, who in general play much more passive poker than pros do.
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05-28-2023 , 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Yogurt Daddy
This is what happens when people are playing deeper than they are willing to stack off for without the nuts. Being scared to get check raised for a large amount.



There's only so many people in the world who can comfortably play for 500k or 1mil bullets. Regardless if it's their own money or they sold some.


At some point, the money stops being big blinds and starts being a dollar amount and matter to people again. Streams how now just found out what that dollar amount is.
I get that, but to what degree does that also extend into the potential check raiser themselves, if I'm seeing this behavior from the person(s) checking back, is it improper to assume that they are more unlikely to check raise because of this?

Anyone that is applying turn and river pressure with any level of balance in this game would almost be guaranteed to be up.
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05-28-2023 , 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Hell2Heaven
I get that, but to what degree does that also extend into the potential check raiser themselves, if I'm seeing this behavior from the person(s) checking back, is it improper to assume that they are more unlikely to check raise because of this?

Anyone that is applying turn and river pressure with any level of balance in this game would almost be guaranteed to be up.
Playing deeper than comfortable (be it lack of experience playing this deep or the money actually matters) makes people nit up.


Most every game I play (currently no higher than 25/50, but normally 10/20 or 10/25 and below), plays 200bb or more deep on average.

There are always guys who usually buy in shorter, and then run up a stack.....or buy in deeper one day. Or others it's obviously they usually don't play as deep as they are. And it's always the same. They nit up and/or play passive.


I believe Polk did a video or something talking about the point of playing deep stack is to use your stack size as leverage and not being afraid to have your stack at risk without the nuts. As it's very common for deep games to nit up.



And no one is immune to this without some pretty good discipline. Eventually the stack size or the amount of money will be out of your comfort zone.
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