This never gets old.

This is what I was trying to get at by calling him a "fish" I dont think he is a fish to most players but I feel that many high stakes cash game players would gladly sit with him on a HU table not that I think hes a fish to most. I think he has flaws that most big high stakes players do not have.

If you dont mind me asking, how long have you spent studying Tran's play and style? What are the flaws?

I have just seen some tourney stuff and have heard comments about Tran playing online. And as far as his hero calls, Im relatively positive that they only show the ones that work out and not the ones that dont so I would not put too much stock into his soul reading.

Dem pocket 7's not ring a bell?

Kenny's the best. Didn't you guys saw how PA and most pros in the cash game stay the **** out of Kenny's way on TV?? DN and Brandon Adams both said Kenny's hand reading ability is OFF THE CHART. I'd bet half my roll on Kenny.

This was obviously written by some idiot who has no idea what the hell hand reading is.

It's educated guessing based upon action within a specific hand. A person can only be so good at it.
Anything past that and you get dumb**** 'you got dem pocket 7's' calls, errr... I mean random guesses.

PA would win imo

"ONLY SO GOOD AT IT"??? IT's called instinct (you have to have it to play poker am i right?) and confidence (also needed to play poker) to call out a hand and not be afraid to be an idiot. DN as we all see on TV consistently name most of his opponent's hands correctly. For him to give such high regard to Kenny Tran speaks "volume" to any logical thinker who doesn't have such bias. - Check DN's old blog about his regard of Tran.

Have you heard Phil Gordon's comments on DN and his reading ability on "TV". Im just saying its TV and they always show hero calls cause people love to see them, whereas hero calls gone wrong dont ever make it to TV.

Not to mention the players that you see him make these calls against are very bad and are very easy to put on hands for the most part.

muckthatsht, kenny tran is about as far away from a fish as it gets in high stakes live cash games. you might be basing your opinion on espn, but I´m basing mine on what I´ve heard other pros say and the few cash games I´ve seen him play on tv. the hero tournament hero calls you are talking about are completely unrelated (btw they show him losing his entire stack on one on them in the main event...so that kinda ruins ur pt about the losing hero calls not being shown).

sure, he might be a "fish" to a few of the best live and online players in the world...a fish in the sense they would play him bc they have an edge. thats why my monys still on PA. and phil gordon hating on DN lol...3 words: career tournament earnings

lol @ all of this, keep going

antonius

would/does anyone even play patrik hu online anymore in any game (except maybe hoss in limit)? also lol at this thread.

kenny kills the 1k-2k mixed games at the commerce ~ and Bobby Hoff calls him one of the greatest NL cash game players EVER.

Ive Seen more of PA on tv and from his plays he never seems to lose any pots lol he runs so sick

Isn't it 50:50?

Hey! 3 hands on TV! Clearly enough to make a judgment on. As for online play, my understanding is that much of Tran's edge comes from sick observational skills. I don't think I've heard a lot of arguments that Tran is an excellent technical mid-stack NL player. But, there is a lot of agreement from excellent players that he is a very fine deep stack live player and is very, very difficult to bluff.

Whatever. Many good players rate him as one of the finest deep stack live NL players. They put PA there too. Who the hell knows who has an edge. But, come on, neither of them is a fish in any game.

Epic quote.

If the bet was, who could flip the most burgers in an hour, then I would go with Kenny.

Kenny Tran's and Negreanu's reads on TV are against super fish who min raise preflop with AA or keep betting after all the draws come. They are against 0 level thinkers. It's like saying, "I saw Kenny Tran sacrifice a queen and win blindfold and I'd bet my house that he'd beat Kasparov". Except he made that queen sac and won against a 1100 player.

PA is not a level 0 donk that Kenny pawns on tv. In a long match, he's favorite over most humans including Kenny.

Patrick is known to be one of the best heads up NL Holdem players in the world. Kenny Tran mostly plays full ring. This thread is dumb

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PA all day, everyday vs. anyone.

patrick all day long