The other deep stacks are what cause the issue.

If there are no other deep stacks, then this issue does not exist.


V1 20

V2 200

V3 200

V3 200

V4 200

V5 200

V6 200



Assuming everyone is good, V1 has a gigantic advantage. V2 through V6 will, and basically have to, make plays that are good vs. one another, but some of those plays will be horrendously bad vs. V1. Vs. everyone else they will be relying on the possibility of more money going in later. But vs. V1 there is no more money, but they are getting it in anyway because of what might happen vs. the others. V1 has the advantage.

For shortstack in PLO its easier to realise your equity, if you could buy in for just 1bb you would realise 100% of your equity and atleast breakeven from bigblind.

Well, extremes often make arguments pointless. Or in this case, understanding what it means .....

5 players have 100bb, one guy has 20bb. When someone opens and the 20bb guy jams, players behind can either cold call 20bb with full stack players left to act or rejam 100bb, which will force them to play much tighter than if everyone had 20bb. The original opener can either tighten up his opening range and lose edge to the other big stacks or keep playing optimally against the deep stacks and give an edge to the shortstack. When someone opens and gets 3bet, the 3bettor has to call the shortstack's jam even with his bluffs because he's getting the right price. The shortstack can also easily get his money in with draws and realise his equity. He can also put tons of pressure in multiway pots: he can stack off light but the other deep stacks in the pot will have to overfold because they have other 100bb stacks to worry about.

rake would guarantee a loss in your example and in general has an adverse effect on shortstacks at lower limits.

Its not a secret as we've all played with Short stacks but when 50% of the biggest players on Stars start doing it there's reason for discussion

My guess is they have heard about this thread and are all back to 100BB ...haha

ev is catching up to them vs each other trying to minimize their losses. maybe they cant afford it since PS isnt handing them all a car every year from the sne cutbacks. ty btw nj having fun playing for all that money in promos and such.

ooo ooo i know they trying to look like a fish/rec so the fish/recs wont be intimidated by the big stack at the table and assume its somebody who grinds way more who just going to bully them out of their money- (often hitting suckouts when the fish/rec finally gets a hand worth playing) thus causing more fish/recs to play against them joining tables they wouldnt if they see huge stacks

its simply a bigger bumhunting strategy targeting recs and newer players who dont read poker strategy 18hours a day

this thread got so much leveling going on lol

Not trolling... Please explain to me what happens after 40BB stack doubles up? They continue playing or quit? If they continue playing, they fall victim to their own strategy... If they quit they reduce profitability by narrowing the number of games they can play. An I still don't understand why anyone would give any semblance of action to a 40BB nit whose gonna quit the game after a double up. These guys are incredibly bad for an individual game, and poker as a whole....
If this is what "professional" poker play looks like, our game is completely screwed...

Online, they're multi-tabling.
The short stack is free-rolling. They can't stop playing with the short stack unless they stop playing.
It isn't a choice in a vacuum. It's free-roll or be free-rolled. Which would you choose?

At the micro levels, as a % you will be paying a more significant rate than playing for 100bb effective stacks where rake caps come into play and keep it down.

At 25/50 this isn't going to be much of an issue as the rake cap will come into play for most pots and represents a tiny % of the total pot.

No, you are wrong, Pokerstars is trying to reduce your already small edge against amateurs because reg nits like you ruin the poker ecosystem.

I for one think it's great, can't wait to see you bagging groceries in a few months. Enjoy reality.

If im reading this correctly . I just want to say from experience that most of those 25/50 guys are far from Nits and pay you off a whole buy-in ($5000) with Top pair if you jam on them in most situations.

lmao what a clueless and envious fishtard

I thought that's what I said.

In future I'll send you my thoughts for editing prior to posting

At lower micros it's hard to hit the rake cap so those games are effectively uncaped rake.

reg nits are better for the ecosystem than good regulars, unsure what you're on about... I'll take a wild guess that you are neither though

ok we've got this sorted to phd level now. There is nothing that anyone reading this thread doesn't know about short stacking and rake.

Omg hi op haven't seen you in 10 years or so

The size doesnt matter, its how you use it. That is the beauty of it. All arguments in favour of some size are false. There should be reasonable sizes for all.

And we want no fish. We want lower rakes. No gambling poker but mostly skill, a mental sport. Supported with tax money, not the opposite. And yes, dont small stack in most raked games.

wow reading this thread confirms why i don't play poker anymore, too many smart people!

Possibly the worlds greatest troll....

This thread is now complete

worried about playing with 40bb stacks? well just play the deep ante games like you should have been doing already!