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What would happen in this "final table reset button" tournament? What do you think would happen What would happen in this "final table reset button" tournament? What do you think would happen

06-01-2016 , 01:33 AM
So in this tournament the rule is that when you reach the Final Table a "reset button" gets hit and everyone returns to 100 BB, regardless of prior stack size.

Here's the catch...The top 6 "chip leaders" going into F9 will take even split of 60 percent of the FT prize money (even 10 percent each) and then it's a winner take all FT for the remaining 40 percent after the reset button pushed. Does this unique rules incentivize players to try to make top 6/9 in chips before FT for an easy 10 percent prize, or are they content to remain shortstack and reach FT for the reset button, then get only a 1/9 chance at the 40 percent winner take all?

This "reset" tournament I think will be a good test to see if players want to go for higher risk strategy for a higher chance (66 percent) at smaller cash or NIT it up for the slim chance of a big cash.

Last edited by DanT433; 06-01-2016 at 01:39 AM.
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06-01-2016 , 01:47 AM
This hurt my brain
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06-01-2016 , 03:11 AM
Personally I like winning the most money possible so I'm going for the top 6

Edit: unless you're saying once you take top 6 you don't play off for the remaining 40% as well......in which case my brain hurts too.
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06-01-2016 , 03:16 AM
So basically it's a sng where the winner takes 40% and places 2-7 take 10%.... Meh I'll take the 10%
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06-01-2016 , 04:04 AM
I think all 9 play for the other 40%. So when the tenth guy busts, the equity people have is

1-6 14.44%
7-9 4.44% (being the value of the "ticket" to the winner takes all SNG called the final table)

so at 10 handed if you are short stacked you can actually have a bubble factor below 1. You look likely to get 4.44% next time there are a couple of all-ins, but if you do the all-in you could get 14.44% or 0. So the tournament structure is giving you odds to flip, whereas normally it gives odds against.

This could be a solution to those interminable mega satellites. Say we're paying ten seats and it's going to be the people with the biggest stacks when we get down to 20 players.

Last edited by LektorAJ; 06-01-2016 at 04:10 AM.
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06-01-2016 , 04:33 AM
Collusion would be a big problem Do you see why?
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06-01-2016 , 05:09 AM
Yes in that scenario I suppose collusion would be an issue.

Ok so the revised version is that the chipleader going into the FT "reset" gets 200 BB instead of 100 BB of the other 8 players. This also gives the top 6 something to shoot for aside from just making the FT.
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06-01-2016 , 05:29 AM
Dumb idea, obvious impact, it would just shift bubble pressure
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06-01-2016 , 05:53 AM
So if I get to the FT and bust 7-9th then I get zero, while 10th place gets paid?
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06-01-2016 , 06:06 AM
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Originally Posted by David Lyons
So if I get to the FT and bust 7-9th then I get zero, while 10th place gets paid?
Yes exactly. 10th did not have a chance at the big 1st prize with a reset stack but you did. So this "reset" tourney is asking the question how good do you really think you are? Would you be aggressive and if you lose you get paid 10th place money or are you content as the shortstack and reset to a 100 BB stack to take your 1/9 shot at 1st?

I think instead of conservative a lot of players would be in shove fest mode to avoid the scenario you mention which is very likely a "no pay" day after a very deep run. There are 3 shortstacks who don't make 10 percent of the cut AND at least 2/3 or 3/3 will get paid nothing at all, while 10th and even the min cashes who went out way earlier makes money.

There will be a very quick bubble.
Almost no bubble.
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06-01-2016 , 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
Collusion would be a big problem Do you see why?
Yes, but nobody seems to mind that with conventional mega satellites ....
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06-01-2016 , 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by LektorAJ
Yes, but nobody seems to mind that with conventional mega satellites ....
Is there a way to prevent this? In non satellites, we can just make prize structures normal.
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06-01-2016 , 12:53 PM
help me i cant get up
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06-01-2016 , 03:54 PM
how do I hit the reset button on this idea
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06-01-2016 , 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Ric Flair WOOOOOOO
how do I hit the reset button on this idea
+1M
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06-01-2016 , 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Boney526
Is there a way to prevent this? In non satellites, we can just make prize structures normal.
With mega satellites the best thing to do would be let people who have increased their stack by the required ratio to just "pick-up" and collect their ticket while the others are still playing. Their chips would then be removed from the game. It would work out cheaper (less dealer/table time) for the house to organize too.
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06-06-2016 , 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by DanT433
Yes exactly. 10th did not have a chance at the big 1st prize with a reset stack but you did. So this "reset" tourney is asking the question how good do you really think you are? Would you be aggressive and if you lose you get paid 10th place money or are you content as the shortstack and reset to a 100 BB stack to take your 1/9 shot at 1st?

I think instead of conservative a lot of players would be in shove fest mode to avoid the scenario you mention which is very likely a "no pay" day after a very deep run. There are 3 shortstacks who don't make 10 percent of the cut AND at least 2/3 or 3/3 will get paid nothing at all, while 10th and even the min cashes who went out way earlier makes money.

There will be a very quick bubble.
Almost no bubble.
Basically if the 10th+ payouts are flat, then the last 15 or 16 players will be a jam fest.
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06-06-2016 , 01:11 PM
Button to reset OP maybe?
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