yea bc otherwise they would just crush the games

Do you think it matters to a rec if he loses his deposit to another player or to the house, given that both possibilities provide him with the same amount of playing time?

But higher rake means a player is guaranteed to lose more than he would prior. Playing against better players at least gives someone a chance to win.

that's a pretty narrow pov .... not saying PS' new method is 'better' (whatever that means anyway), but if you have higher rake and some winning players become losing players (and therefore leave), they games could be softer.

but all the theories about rake models are a waste of time anyway. players adapt or change their style and new players arrive. a poker room's ecosystem is very dynamic, so all the forecasts are just 'good guesses' at best imo

thing is, all the rants from winning players about 'how bad the changes are for recs' is hypocritical, b/c over the years it was proven again and again, that no body cares, where the money comes from or how fast losers lose... it's in the nature of the game to 'maximize your EV' and therefore we will always have some winners, who squeeze some money out.

last but not least something about the traffic and all the 'white knight' fantasies. 888 pokers immediate reaction with their own 'new vip system' has pretty much shown, that no one wants the 'most loyal customers'

LOL, every time there is a boycott I love it. Loads of nerds getting whiney about something they can't change to suit themselves and then they kick off that the boycott failed. If you can't get out of bed before midday you will never manage to pull off a successful boycott. Stars is still going and the 2% of the player base who are up in arms about the supernova elite and rake changes will continue to have no impact on anything. The game is changing and the failure to adapt will be the downfall of many "pros" (or rakeback winners).

yep but there where some entertaining value when 18 year olds basement grinders thought their boycott would change the world

The boycott basically **** the bed.

Has renegs posted on 2p2 since i checkmated him on the pokerstars vs epic poker league inconsistency?

lets brainstorm some trigger posts for him:
Does Mason Malmuth have more integrity than Daniel Negreanu?
View: Meat is brain food and veganism hurts your hourly
Why you should take a look at Donald Trump for president

What rec even thinks about 'beating the game'? It wouldn't even enter their mind. They just play for fun and hope to get lucky.

What most likely happened with the boycott was that the regs realised that a reg-free period was a good time to play so they played.

Pros are lazy. This is a fact. Late reg was created for Pros. Not casual players. I can guarantee you that this year, all the players who are playing the main for the first time will be in their seats 10 minutes before the shuffle up and deal. 3 hours later in rolls Phil Ivey....

In 2009 load of pros were turned away from the main event for failing to reg in time. Patrik Antonius, T.J. Cloutier, Layne Flack, Ted Forrest, Brandon Adams - all people who probably knew they were playing the main no matter what, had been in Vegas and the Rio for months. Now none of these pros should have bankrolls to consider so they only reason I can think of not regging early is either laziness or stupidity.

I know what EV is, but not sure why you think its relevant to my argument. You also seem to think that being smart and stupid are mutually exclusive. You can be both at the same time;

Being one of the top online winners - smart
Signing a non-disclosure agreement - stupid

Because they got no where so not worth the effort to protest..

Boycotters where the ones that busted their bankroll the night before?? that could explain the missing 12 players, right??

Some recreational want to improve and beat the game. This conception that anyone who isn't a pro and plays often is happy just punting off their stack is far from the reality imo.

Bi-Rectional Dream, yes, guys failed, not without "help" of passive community. but they have done smth. made an effort. and you (like dozens of others loudmouths) just blame them, nothing more.

You make a good argument, and while most of what you said is probably true. I stand by my opinion just as much. Its also probably true that most other casual players feel the same. When PS player base is 98% me and 2% you, it is obvious why they cater to the casual player and not the others. It's just business. Casual players dont really care about the rake. They want to win, sure. But if they lose it has zero impact on life.

It's not just the proportion of recs to pros - it's that the people who know or care enough to participate in a strike are people who the sites would rather go away.

The industry could do perfectly fine without any legitimately profitable people. They just need the illusion of profitability to keep everyone chasing the rainbow. Props aren't even really necessary on bigger sites, but if for some reason they wanted add some into the mix to help kickstart games it wouldn't be an offer that was made to the general public - which has always been the case for the more generous propping deals.

Lmao @ thinking recs don't care if they win.

Everyone wants to win...... I love how players try to paint all recs as sicko degens that want to just gamble it up. There are people like this but they play blackjack and roulette.

+1

Every rec i ever encountered (most of them being my friends who deposit $20-50 every once in a while) actually think they are pretty good. Start off playing nl2 make a few bucks then bust "cause of horrible bad beats i have never seen" (while moving up to 10nl).. rinse and repeat since 2009

The smarter ones actually stop depositing after a few bullets cause they start realizing they might not be that good and just never try again because they just dont care that much about poker to put the work in to get better

lol if u think recs play purely for entertainment value and dont care about losing

Probably one of the dumbest posts I have ever read in my life. Seriously.

i tried boycotting crack but failed