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02-10-2010 , 01:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Illuminasty
How does 1-3 contribute to transparency and site functionality

1. Making a rule up off the top of your head
2. Not enforcing it for anyone else who is actively using the site at the same time that you are enforcing the rule for this one person
3. Banning that person for asking where this rule came from and why everyone else on the site had no labels or gear

I think if you decide to make up a rule you should give people a chance to leave your site without **** on their account if they don't like the new rule that you just made up.

I have no problem with the dude making up rules as he goes along. If he doesn't want to allow white people(as an example) on this site and decides to make me send him a picture to prove I'm not white. I think it's reasonable to allow that person to have their account deleted if they think that's unfair.

My point is that they aren't interested in being fair.
But what about the collusion and the stealing and the leprechauns?

Am I the only worried about the leprechauns in here?
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02-10-2010 , 01:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Illuminasty
How does 1-3 contribute to transparency and site functionality

1. Making a rule up off the top of your head
2. Not enforcing it for anyone else who is actively using the site at the same time that you are enforcing the rule for this one person
3. Banning that person for asking where this rule came from and why everyone else on the site had no labels or gear

I think if you decide to make up a rule you should give people a chance to leave your site without **** on their account if they don't like the new rule that you just made up.

I have no problem with the dude making up rules as he goes along. If he doesn't want to allow white people(as an example) on this site and decides to make me send him a picture to prove I'm not white. I think it's reasonable to allow that person to have their account deleted if they think that's unfair.

My point is that they aren't interested in being fair.
[ ] rule was made off the top of his head
[ ] rule is not enforced for everyone else (see the situation with TheLipoFund)
[x] people are banned when they are uncooperative and seem to have no interest in following the rules of a private forum
[x] you stole 1k dolla dolla bills, y'all
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02-10-2010 , 01:32 AM
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Originally Posted by airwave16
[ ] rule was made off the top of his head
[ ] rule is not enforced for everyone else (see the situation with TheLipoFund)
[x] people are banned when they are uncooperative and seem to have no interest in following the rules of a private forum
[x] you stole 1k dolla dolla bills, y'all
This (although I haven't read anything to substantiate the final point I will agree with it blindly).

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Originally Posted by TurnRiva
But what about the collusion and the stealing and the leprechauns?

Am I the only worried about the leprechauns in here?
All of PTP is worried about the leprechauns. One of the many benefits that OP has chosen to completely ignore.
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02-10-2010 , 01:34 AM
OP raised some legitimate concerns, not to be dismissed offhand IMHO...
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02-10-2010 , 01:35 AM
This sounds like some childish crap my little brother would say. I think that if op questions about the whole name thing then he should just email PS right and then post what he finds out... That way it doesn't get like this... I mean 7 pages of mostly common sense and little kid bickering... Like really
1.Its very obv that this isn't ptps first yr in bussiness. therefore I am sure PS knows all about them
2.No one here at 2+2 has to go there and stake or run stakes. Not saying they don't want you to come there and be a part of that group!!
3.It has help countless people and made the poker community as a whole millions....
4. The whole slow play thing.... It could happen!!! Duh it could happen with anyone. You don't know me or anyone else. But I can say that risking ruinnning your career or rep is worth more to most ptpers than a couple extra K


MMMMkay
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02-10-2010 , 01:41 AM
dumb thread is dumb imo
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02-10-2010 , 01:41 AM
Illuminatiii,

What if he decided he just didnt want you there? Do you think PTP is a democracy or something? Whats with all this "fair" mumbo-jumbo you are talking about?

Look, you joined the website, it didnt work out for you and you dont gotta go back. I dont think you really believe most of the stuff you lined out in your OP and its just sour grapes because you were booted basically from the website and you are upset about it. Staking has been part of poker probably forever, it isnt going anywhere, live, online, outer space, etc. There will always be players looking to be backed and players with money just sitting in their accounts that can stake the player looking to be backed. Do you realize how much staking is really going on in the poker world? Men the Master stakes "armies" to live tournies and there is no problem.

One thing that needs to be said, is there is a competitive spirit at PTP with the player points and staker points, people wanna be #1 or top 10, etc. People set goals. This alone discourages collusion and all the other stuff you are so-called worried about. We had people fighting over someone stealing an ad they had up to recruit players and we have had complaints of people stealing staker's "horses". Then not to mention the players going at it over bad beats they put on each other. If you would of done what you should of done and kept your mouth shut and read the forum for awhile, you would of been pretty convinced there is nothing shady going on at PTP. Its just another poker forum that happens to be about staking with all the same type of problems the other forums have. Furthermore, if you would of just read and researched you probably would of never joined because you would of known putting a SN name in for the 2 major sites was required.

Could of saved yourself a lot of butthurtedness imho.
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02-10-2010 , 01:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Makwa
OP raised some legitimate concerns, not to be dismissed offhand IMHO...
Or rather OP pretended to raise some legitimate concerns under the veil of seemingly intelligent speech. Given a motive, anyone with a brain can come up with some conspiracy theories and arouse some fear by putting their thoughts together in an intellectual manner.

Intelligent or not, his accusations are baseless.
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02-10-2010 , 01:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Makwa
OP raised some legitimate concerns, not to be dismissed offhand IMHO...
Like?
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02-10-2010 , 01:45 AM
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Originally Posted by luciano27
One thing that needs to be said, is there is a competitive spirit at PTP with the player points and staker points, people wanna be #1 or top 10, etc. People set goals. This alone discourages collusion and all the other stuff you are so-called worried about. We had people fighting over someone stealing an ad they had up to recruit players and we have had complaints of people stealing staker's "horses". Then not to mention the players going at it over bad beats they put on each other. If you would of done what you should of done and kept your mouth shut and read the forum for awhile, you would of been pretty convinced there is nothing shady going on at PTP. Its just another poker forum that happens to be about staking with all the same type of problems the other forums have. Furthermore, if you would of just read and researched you probably would of never joined because you would of known putting a SN name in for the 2 major sites was required.
very naive argument. and by naive i mean terrible
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02-10-2010 , 01:45 AM
pokerstars has no idea what goes on at PTP/neverbeg... and I can prove it, look:

http://forum.parttimepoker.com/membe...michael-j.html - notice last activity

http://forum.parttimepoker.com/4429057-post47.html
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02-10-2010 , 01:45 AM
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Originally Posted by TurnRiva
Like?
Oh yeah the leprechauns...
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02-10-2010 , 01:48 AM
I mean fwiw PTP does violate the TOS of stars. OP has that much right.
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02-10-2010 , 01:52 AM
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Originally Posted by shipontilt
I mean fwiw PTP does violate the TOS of stars. OP has that much right.
If they do, stars knows about it, thus allowing it..
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02-10-2010 , 01:55 AM
One worrying thing is that bunch of noobs started posting nonsense just to defense the site mentioned by OP. Maybe it does deserve some attention afterall...
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02-10-2010 , 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by punter11235
One worrying thing is that bunch of noobs started posting nonsense just to defense the site mentioned by OP. Maybe it does deserve some attention afterall...
lol. are you serious with this? a lot of ppl are registered with PTP and 2+2 but never post on 2+2 just like a lot of people on 2+2 are probably registered on p5s but never post there. it's obviously natural that people will come to 2+2 that post almost exclusively on PTP who are gonna be "noobs" that are gonna defend the site

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02-10-2010 , 01:59 AM
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Originally Posted by punter11235
One worrying thing is that bunch of noobs started posting nonsense just to defense the site mentioned by OP. Maybe it does deserve some attention afterall...
*gasp* people from PTP don't post much on 2+2 because it's a different forum!

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02-10-2010 , 01:59 AM
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Originally Posted by airwave16
[ ] rule was made off the top of his head
[ ] rule is not enforced for everyone else (see the situation with TheLipoFund)
[x] people are banned when they are uncooperative and seem to have no interest in following the rules of a private forum
[x] you stole 1k dollar dollar bills, y'all
It's already been established that the person that stole that money was from New Jersey. I am not from New Jersey and have only driven through it.

Yes I am the reason for the rule. When a bunch of punks like the people that run your website get some power the result is obvious. They ban most of the people that are able to show them how ridiculous and hypocritical they are in applying their rules. So what you end up with are the droolers who have posted ITT from that site. The rest of the people on the site decide that their financial interest is better served by avoiding conflict with bully's
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02-10-2010 , 02:00 AM
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Originally Posted by punter11235
One worrying thing is that bunch of noobs started posting nonsense just to defense the site mentioned by OP. Maybe it does deserve some attention afterall...
Yep you're correct, nothing to do with OP essentially attacking PTP members credibility on a big forum with no evidence.. nothing to do with that at all..
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02-10-2010 , 02:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Chesters Dad
I haven't really read this thread so chances are someone said this already -- but we take collusion/violations of TOS very seriously at PTP (I am a moderator there) -- obviously such things put anyone that has transferred funds to the players who have violated rules at risk -- generally speaking, we ban people that soft play, collude, chip dump or otherwise violate rules.
This would be the most irrationally behaved moderator there. Trust me. =)

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Originally Posted by smellmuth
id love to hear some commentary by you idiots on the relative ev's of two stacks with x chips vs 1 stack with 2x chips, or the actual mechanics of these staking sites, or anything other than 'GTFO IMO' posts.

there is a legitimate issue here, and the kinds of responses being posted by the backed community are lending it credibility.
You need to quit jockeying the OPs cack and please GTFO IMO.

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Originally Posted by Frenzuh
dumb thread is dumb imo
+alot
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02-10-2010 , 02:01 AM
also, cds youre avatar is $$$
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02-10-2010 , 02:02 AM
if you join PTP, you do need to watch out for the terroists though. They will get you!
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02-10-2010 , 02:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Illuminasty
It's already been established that the person that stole that money was from New Jersey. I am not from New Jersey and have only driven through it.

Yes I am the reason for the rule. When a bunch of punks like the people that run your website get some power the result is obvious. They ban most of the people that are able to show them how ridiculous and hypocritical they are in applying their rules. So what you end up with are the droolers who have posted ITT from that site. The rest of the people on the site decide that their financial interest is better served by avoiding conflict with bully's
[ ] you are the reason for the rule
[x] the rule is there for protection of the members of the site.

gtfo with the conspiracy theories. you're worse than the 9/11 hacks.
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02-10-2010 , 02:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Illuminasty
It's already been established that the person that stole that money was from New Jersey. I am not from New Jersey and have only driven through it.

Yes I am the reason for the rule. When a bunch of punks like the people that run your website get some power the result is obvious. They ban most of the people that are able to show them how ridiculous and hypocritical they are in applying their rules. So what you end up with are the droolers who have posted ITT from that site. The rest of the people on the site decide that their financial interest is better served by avoiding conflict with bully's
you didn't establish anything but i'm not gonna address it any further

get over yourself. you are not the reason for the rule
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02-10-2010 , 02:05 AM
on a happier note. I would vote for Zoid if he ran for US presidency.

Seriously.
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