nice post LfTV

Most of the people posting in this thread are idiots.

Poker needs recreational players.

Thanks for sharing OP.

yea most is probally a overstatement but i consider a serious grinder being 100nl above. and like i said before your definatly in the minority of people who have a semi likable job. alot of people just sit in a cubicle or sit in a office for 8 hours a day for alot less then what most 50nl+ "serious grinders" make monthly.

also just to be clear like you said in op there are atooon of players playing hours upon hours thousands of hands a day breaking even being fpp pros who just struggle to make minimum wage with rakeback or fpps who are basically (some derogatory term for pathetic roboteens) and all that.

but still if your willing to work hard for it i honestly believe professional poker beats 90% of any jobs you could get without being a genius or born into some kind of lucky situation

also kinda small side note.


alot of people with jobs dont really realize how hard it is for a 19 20 yo with absolutely no experience to get a job today compared to grinding up a small roll play 10nl. im not 100% but im pretty sure a dedicated fulltime player could make more playing 25nl than some cashier job at the popcorn stand in the mall, if not more atleast the same.


if anyone could prove me right or wrong it would be greatly appreciated im pretty interested.

Oh yea, sitting around with people drinking and doing NOTHING is better.

Isn't it funny when condescending people don't understand that?

quit reading after girl and hookers and blow. nobody needs a hooker when they have a girl. fraudalert!

This works both ways. If you're the aforementioned 19 or 20 year old, you're going to make it that much harder on yourself for the future by avoiding work and grinding the small roll you mentioned. You won't have work experience to offer a potential employer, and that is a big key for young people today.

Also, it's rather dim to use the old and tired line about working at the mall. Yes, it's difficult to get good work at a young age, but not all work when you're a sophomore in college consists of $7.25 hourly serving burgers, and 2p2 needs to understand this.

You can rationalize all you want, but this is a silly statement.

Lot of haters in this thread, OP expressed a view that he would rather do his regular job than be an online poker pro.
He isn't suggesting that all online pros pack in poker and get a 'real' job.
It would be difficult being an online pro if there were no recreational players imo

Pot meet kettle.

Oh, and good post LfTV.

I think what op means is that for many NOT all, poker is difficult and not as easy going as some people make it out to be. Majority of people don't make an extravagant living at poker. This has been discussed numerous times in other post. To be great at online poker takes a lot of work and dedication and also luck , which many people are not able to handle and don't have. IT's not a lifestyle for many.

good post, /thread

Nice post.

I agree with a lot of this and I hear you when you say you might enjoy 10% of my job or some other interesting career choice. It's true. The good parts of my job are the fact that it does involve some significant responsibility and I get to participate in the upper management of the company I toil for. The bad part is dealing with all the BS that comes with many office jobs. That's life.

I guess the thing I wonder about the most when it comes to professional poker players is where the sense of personal satisfaction comes from, ultimately. Obviously money is a great motivator for just about any pursuit in life but satisfaction is a lot different than money.

My satisfaction comes from knowing I've cut a wise deal, or given solid advice, or handled a troubling problem in a creative way. What is the poker equivalent? I suppose it's knowing that you are in the elite of all poker players if you can support yourself by those means, the feeling of accomplishment and the pride that you're doing something incredibly unique in society as a whole?

Understand, I admire many pro players. It's inspiring to read about the young guys making tons of cash. I got a kick out of watching 2 Months 2 Million even if I'm 12 years older than the guys on the show and could see the difference in myself from the ages of 22 to 35. (By the way, I never understood why half of 2+2 mocked those guys mercilessly since it seems like they were living the dream of just about every guy on this site).

In general, I'm just trying to point out that there are a lot of guys like me and not so many guys like you who are legitimate and successful pros and part of that is skill and dedication but much of it is choice. I don't really know how good I could become at the game because I don't have the time or inclination to really go all out in pursuit of that kind of goal.

Seems like people are reluctant to admit that poker isn't an all consuming life goal, but then again it's a poker board so that might not be too unusual after all.


See, that's awesome. This is part the issue for guys like me though. I'm fairly well compensated so to match or double my income by playing poker I'd have to be playing fairly substantial stakes in serious volume. Because I'm not sure if I could beat something like 400NL online (probably not) it kind of leaves me to play lower stakes, which in turn doesn't always hold my interest because I can theoretically afford to play higher stakes.

So there are reasons no everybody hits it hard that don't involve lack of ambition.

Probably right. I've netted decent enough bucks from 50NL over the years (a grand here, a grand there, whatever, nothing crazy) so I'm sure a kid playing winning poker full time could do better monetarily at those stakes than at some joe job.

It's not necessarily a lifestyle choice for every person who CAN beat the game as well.

Grunching.

I have never played near 500k hands in a year.

To each their own, tho. If u like ur job and love poker on the side, good for u.

funny thing is that a very good poker pro could easily do a random job like everyone does, but not everyone has the ability to become a poker pro.
So its hilarious imo when a random guy hypothetically says he wouldnt play poker even if he would be able to make >$1/hand without big efforts ... just h

This is one of the stupidest things I have ever heard. Like what training/schooling do you need to play poker? You cant equate poker to most jobs in the world. In fact many of the idiots playing poker for a living are doing so because they cant do anything else, and poker is the easy way out. Lots of "quitters" playing poker, that would not go through any tough times.

lol

That's a pretty bold assumption. There are many people who make significantly more money than your average person who plays poker for a living.

As for freedom, the number of people who play just 25 hours a week and earn any kind of reasonable money ($100K+ net) is small. The majority of poker players put in very long hours.

There's freedom in the ideal poker player's life just as there is fame and glory in the ideal musicians life. Most just play in cover bands at local bars, though.

This said, I'm certainly not knocking those who decide to play poker for a living. A number of my friends do. It boils down to personal preference.

Ok so you like playing poker for fun and just gambling stuff up (for fun) and you don't want to play poker for a living and be disciplined with your money poker wise. Ok.

Reasonable money is $100K plus?


Don't look at the poverty guidelines:

http://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty/09poverty.shtml


You'll be shocked it's possible to make so little.





Don't even look at general household income given the median is only about a half of what you think is reasonable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Househo..._United_States

Reasonable money in terms of "giving up the prospect of a stable job and long term career for the future, and grinding out long hours to play poker" yeah. I'd say $100K is at least what it'd take.

500k hands a year is like 3 hours a day 8-tabling. dont see the problem...

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