Imo there needs to be software that analyzes every facet of a site's RNG/deals that you can run on a client side or pooled together on a trusted site and see in what ways you're losing and to whom.

You're losing and to everyone.

We actually would only need the numbers of how many players win and how much players win vs rake paid.

would require adjustment of regulation.

didn't they give you enough details already? it's all about mouse movements, serious sht

Don't Hold'em Manager and/or Poker Tracker already do this?

Hah, no chance in hell that gets released. It's probably around at least 20-1 in the sites favour in cash games these days.

To the OP, there are companies that certify the RNG aspect, and sites don't really have any motivation to mess with it. Bot's however are a large concern and it is important that something gets done to police them more.

yes on a personal level.

However it would be great to see how the health of the entire economy is working.

i.e. you want to know when u play a slot machine how likely are u to lose or win. I'd like to know how much of losses is turned over to winners.

I.e. i can guess by analyzing a whole bunch of data that rake today is 80% of losses and 20% goes to winners, but it would be nice to know these numbers officially and broken down by stakes and games.

i'd like to know how much in rake is taken out of the games on a daily basis, at each particular stake.

do we have information on this?

Here you go:

Poker Tracker

Holdem Manager

I get aces every once in a while, imagine other people.

This should cause them to lose "game of skill" arguments if that's still a thing.

+EV

I disagree with OP. I only want sites that will enable cheaters.

I also want them to ban players who don't try to cheat.

No, it shouldn't.

There's no way it's even close to this, and even if it was, there isn't any inherent logic that should make you assume that the dollars withdrawn:dollars taken in rake ratio shouldn't in actuality be very much in favour of a site. First you need to consider how difficult it is for each party to earn each of their dollars.

While I agree that most operators are probably taking more money than what is good for the long term of their business (and obviously then for the players), there is no reason to spread propaganda like this - which basically paints poker site operators as crooks - without presenting any actual information. It makes our side of the argument look careless, petty and defamatory; none of these things help anyone.

Very interesting. Guy whose name is Pokerstars Shill Account does not think Pokerstars rakes too much.

All I have is hearsay, but I heard it from a trustworthy guy who used to work at a site a few years ago. Back then it was 95% of money deposited at 1/2 was eventually taken by the site.

Guess not

You can take the numbers here, and then browse your favorite datamining site and see how many hands they have gotten from w/e time period they list and get a really ballpark idea of it.

One of the numbers I saw while reading about the Amaya buyout of Pokerstars: Over the course of a year about one third (or 33%) of all customer deposits are "converted" into rake.
So, in about 3 years the 95% number could be very accurate.

Im sort of curious, I wonder how much % of overall rake is given to rakeback pros who grind 1/2 for supernova 1337, or some sort of supernova.

Maybe tracker companies could make one and sell it as an additional. It would then give u the probabilities of many happenings. If it is good enough, it is worth significant money. How long it would remain popular is another thing but players would likely want to see exactly their luck factors even if the cards would turn out to be random.

The tracker sites should make their trackers more simple as they are too busy to support lesser sites even with significant action. I dont need but a part of all the stats and functions they offer. One needs the indicator software at some sites as it supports at least the hud. Some free open one might also be there and maybe it also has a shot to become the one that tracks ur luck factors also. Then there are tracking sites that might run some stats of the more active players, and those sites are not free.

The best players in significant rake games get half of their winnings w good enough rakeback, that number is industry standard and will not get any lower in major sites. If they keep running that good without getting to next level is another thing, as is how long it will take for them to make it as good on the next level.

Don't quote the lamest guy on the forums and ruin it for everyone who has him on ignore.

Actually, I expressly stated that I do in fact think that they rake too much.

Can you even read bro?

but bjsmith22 said there is NO WAY it is even close to this and he has never been wrong.