Given the fact that you don't support your prediction with any logic or factual information and that this is purely your opinion, it seems a bit arrogant to name everyone who disagrees with you as living in "cloud cuckoo land."

You talk about confidence in depositing? Don't think that's going to apply so much, especially if the big players are the famous land-based casinos that people know. Plus we online players as a whole seem to have a rather short memory when it comes to bad stuff.

Agree with this. Casino gambling has expanded a lot in the US in recent years. Where once we had casinos only in a couple of places, there are now casinos in over 40 states.

Though we on the forums may see the scummy side of things, once Caesars and Wynn get their teeth into marketing online poker (especially with the ability to buy into live tourneys directly from an online account, and send live winnings directly online), I think we will experience a slow upward trend in poker for the next 10-20 years, including online.

Or maybe this is just what I'm hoping.

The overall number of US players who want to play online poker dwarf those who did play even at its peak. Even before the neteller/firepay shutdown, the majority of US players had no clue how to set up an online account. After the neteller shutdown, only the more savvy players were able to deposit. This skewed the playerpool towards more experienced players.

Couple that with the fact that because it was now significantly harder to deposit, the fish were soon (virtually) eradicated, leaving the sharks to cannibalize themselves. A player who used to be a borderline shark now became them fish. As Darwin reared his ugly head, the games got progressively tougher.

Yes, players got better. But the real factor is that little new blood entered the frenzy. We laugh at people who play Zynga and think they are good cause they beat their home games, but these are the people who will, for the first time, have access to the online games.

Yes, at first they will be horrid, but they will get better. The difference this time will be that as they get better, fresh "fish" will be hatching behind them. And so on an so forth.

With government backing and people feeling it is safe to deposit, IMO not only will there be a second boom, but it will be even bigger than it was back in the Party heydays.

It won't happen overnight, but it will happen. The posters on this site for the most part represent the top 5% of the population regarding poker knowledge, and that includes tards such as myself. Blackgerbil knows more about poker than 95% of the population. So does (god help me for saying this) titanium nuts. Sure, he sucks compared to those that remain, but once the flood gates are open, even he will likely be a profitable player.

The landscape will change, and those who lament not being around pre-2006 will likely get to see what it was like way back when.

Anyway, sorry if I am rambling and if there are tons if typos. Posting from my phone while waiting for my car, and I have no intention of scrolling back to read this overly long diatribe.

Until the economy improves and the middle-class has money in their pockets there will not be another poker boom.

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although high stakes won't be as fishy as it once was, low/midstakes will be fishier than ever. imo almost everyone >18 that has the personality type to get obsessed with poker enough to become a winning masstabler was already playing on 4/14. regulation will open the floodgates of amateur/recreational fish. AND constantly attract hopeless lumps who don't know anything about online poker but deposit a couple buyins because it looked fun on the commercials (and explicitly legal! --regulated by the us gvt as not shady not rigged).

Poker is booming in Europe, and I don't think their economies are doing that great.

A depressed economy will, if anything, have a positive effect on gambling. Do you think Atlantic City, Vegas, Reno, and Biloxi casinos sprung up because their economies were going so great?

If the politicians build (legalize) it, they will come.

In, a few years before the BOOM!!

once it happens, it will be a huge boom. no doubt

the only thing i can think of when i hear players doubting the return of fish and lamenting the pass of the "poker boom" is this http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/18...-solid-704340/

+1

the "fish" have come to the casinos touting themselves as winners online. they mostly have lost their $500 "bankroll" from playing for quarters online. once the US gov't gets online up and running the fish will return online for nickes, dimes, and quarters.

the easy money brought into the casinos will again dry up and only come in the form of tourists.

Trust me, the "live" community is hoping the US gov't takes it's everlovin' sweet time getting this set up.

Anyone who has had a regular home game, or goes to a casino hears all the same stuff. "I never played online cause I couldn't get my money on there." "Those places are offshore so I don't trust them."...etc. Anyone who has played in a home game or casino also knows for the most part all the players are horrible. If it ever get legalized here again things will be much better than post UIGEA. Will it be better than pre UIGEA? 50/50

NO! BAD OP! NO! BAD! Intra-state laws will ruin your new boom theory. BAD! NO! Where's my newspaper?

I don't think anyone is giving credit to how different the landscape will be this time around. How much have tools like 'stove, PTR, and HEM hurt the fish? The skilled players are going to be ready this time, and it's going to be a ruthless slaughter.



First poker boom:



Any future poker boom:

King Fish clearly owning this thread. +1 to everything stated here. I thought I was a part of the minority believing the next poker boom will be better prior to UIGEA but I think this sums it up (sorry, must double quote for emphasis)

lmao there is still plenty of money for the middle class it's called credit cards and welfare. Have you ever been to the malls and see how packed they are or check out Golden Corral hundreds of people paying 50+$ for a meal they coulda cooked themselves a buncha fried chicken mashed taters n a soda pop they coulda cooked for around 10$ little has changed Americans will still be in debt and banks will still lend and we'll still have degens.

a lot will depend on how many tables youre allowed to play
there is no way shark to fish ratio will be as good as it was in 2005 if people are allowed to play 24+ tables per site
back then hardly anyone used pt etc and people played 3-4 tables
now people in the 10 dollar rooms use huds and play a ton of tables

If I had to guess they will start with a smaller max and increase as they realize the demand.

Back in the pre 2006 poker days, I started out playing online poker because I saw some of my friends play on party poker. The reason I play on Party because it seems like a trusted site and I was able to deposit and withdraw easily. After reading a couple of books I was consistently crushing the .5/1 limit games and sometimes successfully take shots at the 10/20 and 20/40 games, these games seem even easier online than at Bay101 casino where I used to play. After 2006 Party didn't allow US players so I try to find other sites to play at, but I find their depositing/withdrawal methods not trustworthy enough for me so I decide to just move on to live poker and other games, and so did my friends. I just stop playing online poker because I thought there was no legitimate way to deposit normally until I saw all those advertisement from FTP and pokerstars. In 2008 I started playing on there for fun again to test out the site and found out they let me deposit the normal way, so I started playing on there again and told all my friends and they started playing too. Basically all these came down to how we feel if we can trust a site, if you friends are playing it too then it must be legit right? When the US legalize online poker with easy deposit methods we will see another online poker boom, there are alot of gamblers out there who dont mind depositing a few 100 dollar buy in just to have fun. But what stop them is how hard it is to figure out how to deposit their money. If people can deposit easily when ever they have the urge to gamble, they might decide to stay home and play online instead of driving to a casino, which means more fish will start playing online. The online world in 2011 is different from how it was in 2003, alot more people shop online now and start to build their trust on ebay, amazon, buy, and all the other websites. People feel safer to put their credit card information online because they trust the sites. Alot of people were skeptical about using their credit card to buy things online before but now it gets to the point where people do most of their shopping online. The same will apply for online poker when people know their money is safe if they deposit, and when they win they can easily withdraw in a timely manner without any headaches. As long as they do very good marketing and advertising that online poker is legal in the US, we will have alot of new players willing to join. Once they trust the site they will tell their friends and the boom will keep growing .

I think it's the government plan from the beginning to shut out PS, FTP, and those privately own online site. Then they bring up their own US regulated online poker rooms and Publicly traded rooms like Party poker. Being able to tax these sites will help the economy so much in the long run. 500+ millons a year in tax money for the next 10-100+ years just from the sites themselves, and not to mention more jobs in the US.

Yes of course. After months of hearing about peoples funds getting freezed and about poker companies not being able to pay back cause they used up all the peoples money I reckon we will se a rush of new players wanting to be part of this great experience called online poker.

It will be awesome..Im new to poker, but i know people better than most..And when average joe finds out its legal, safe and regulated, theres gonna be way more people than ever before..2 or 3 sites with a least 1 million people on it..And im ready, Ive studied what all you guys got to do, and how you did it back in the good ol days..Im working on the tried and true lines, and im working on the new lines..we may have a couple new gears to adopt!!!
I missed the good ol days myself, i took poker seriously about 90 days before black friday...
My goal now is to be ready for some serious table selection, right? I want the KQ-ers when I have AQ...and that aint you guys..
I cant wait..I been a broke dik all my life..thats gonna change..hopefully after the election year..Im gonna be chewing some folks up in multiple formats..Im sure of it..

absolutely.

one thing i noticed QUITE frequently when playing live a few years back was lots of casino regulars had no idea you could play online. lots of people got really freaked out after the uigea law passed (rightfully so a;sldkg;aslkjg;alksjha;lkjga) and didnt remotely consider playing on the internet. throw in the AP/UB scandals & its easy to see why many people were warry. many other people didn't even realize you could play for real money, but might themselves have been interested in doing so.

i think once it gets fully regulated there will be an increase in traffic and i believe a decent chunk of that playerpool will be people who are, for all intents and purposes, completely new to online poker. maybe some played lots of fake money but that's not quite the same.

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