Bottom Line: If there was someone who could beat craps, playing poker would be a complete waste of their time.

Except if somebody could beat craps for millions a year, they'd end up dead in an alley

If you had a lock on a gambling game there would be smart ways and stupid ways to use it. And if you had millions and millions of dollars (and a dangerous trade) you just might be able to use some of it to help stay out of alleys.

lol, I just realized I wrote 'PH'. I meant PI, Phil Ivey, not PH...Phil Hellmuth.

doh!

Cant do 72

FYP

Ivey is Savant.
Savants don't need to "train".
They just "abide".

Barry can spot a Savant from a Pretender at >> 50 paces. That's how Barry just knew... that day he was shooting dice with some homeless men behind the Atlantic City Orphanage... and picked up on the hand signals a tiny, black child was flashing through a broken window. The Hobos never had a chance... and Barry always carries adoption papers in his back pocket.

lol n1

ive never seen ivey play craps, but i have played craps with antonius.

we were at aussie millions 2008. me and a few 2p2ers decided to play craps while drunk, when who rolls up but antonius and some fat dude. he mightve had a few other people following, not sure. we're only betting like 100-200 on pass and a few numbers, but antonius starts betting 2-5k on all sorts of crap (pun intended)

when its his turn to shoot, we're obv giddy that antonius is gonna be winning us tons of money, but we are amazed when we see antonius has the PERFECT form. every throw he does the same, shoots the dice in a perfect arc that hits just on the other side of the table. winning us tons of money, perfect arc each time. his fat friend seems to be enjoying himself

then one throw, the dice goes up - and the craps dude that holds the stick thingy pulls the dice down IN MIDAIR onto the felt. he starts to warn antonius that hes throwing too high, when antonius has been shooting perfectly each time. the fat dude FLIPS THE FK OUT. starts berating the dealer, saying 'we have almost six figures riding on each roll and youre telling us WE'RE THROWING THE DICE TOO HIGH?? YOU SHOULD BE FIRED'. the floor gets called over, the dealer apologizes. during the entire ordeal antonius is completely silent, no emotion on his face. they rack up, +150k or so, and leave.

So Benyamine and PA do still hang out then huh?

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this is amazing

Very cool story bro!

pics or it never happened

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So you believe everything you read in books, and see on TV?

Oh come on, it is so easy to beat craps, just flat until you get the dice, bet 200x as the shooter, and use your psychokinetic powers to get a 7. GG.

He be settin' dice

Some casinos have barred Phil from their crap tables because he is too good and only allow him to play blackjack, slots, (video)poker and roulette.

bwaaaaaaahahaha

no?

Which casinos?

There has to be someone lucky enough to have become a longterm winner

What about the martingale betting strategy? Think Ivey is a fan of it?

Just bet the dark side, I 7 out every toss so why not.