Where were you when we were fighting to prevent RAWA from being jammed into Cromnibus? A fight that was sucessful, I might add.

Where were you when we were letting people know what Sheldon Adelson was trying to do?

Where were you when we did a ton of other stuff?

Your admiration of your neighbor being a state senator at thirty-nine is wrong.

Your disdain for the PPA is wrong. And the PPA is more than just people in Washington.

About online poker, when was it ever nationally, explicitly legal and when did it become nationally, explicitly illegal?

Regarding your request in your first sentence, sorry but I'm not that kind of troll.

We obviously don't live in a free society. There is to many stupid ppl that could not handle it just like you sheep that still believe there is a god. If we did in fact get online poker it would be a joke just like the sites we have now, peak hours there is like what 800 ppl on?

AAdynasty,

I just went back and checked the threads you created and see very few dealt with the politics of poker. I think there were two.

I went back and checked the first five pages of posts you had done along with the final page and didn't see any in which you participated in a thread dealing with the fight for online poker.

Don't complain about the people carrying the water not getting results when you haven't been carrying any water!

**** OFF!

2nd call went really well. Just elaborate man. Sometimes, just end off with putting them on the spot and being like these things should be getting done, and because theyre not, we feel you're approval rating is suffering.

The 2nd guy didnt even ask for my address. I think this could work really good if you pump up the volume 2+2

Can a mod honestly remove this guy please?
derailing the thread hurts it badly on NVG.

Honestly man thanks for doing what you do. I really like the work the PPA is doing, my point is that ITS NOT ENOUGH. You need local level pushes from increases in daily call volumes from the AVERAGE ONLINE POKER ADVOCATE.

Its not that hard guys. Just follow scripts like the one above or that ppl post in here and feel comfortable running.

What ends up happening is people just get intimidated that theyre now talking to an aide about an issue that could affect things when in reality its more of a practice and a numbers game bc these aides r getting 500-1500 calls per DAY.

Yeh the aides dont have much sway obv, but its a volume and numbers game.
You have to jack up the volume with calls before they'll address it more than 1 time a year which gives us a minimal chance.


I was working at Quicken Loans man 60-80 hours a week trying to support my family. Sorry if thats a crime nowadays. Dont come in here and bash me man I'm trying to do something positive while taking time outta my 50 hour work week to do it.

OP, this isn't about us losing our freedoms, and liberty to the politicians that do not back it. It has NOTHING to do with that to them, and if you somehow ran against them in an election and had unlimited back, they would tell the public that this has nothing to do with their freedoms.

You and I think otherwise, but the bottom line to them is that Americans are spending money online, and the United States wasn't getting a cut of it at all. All that money we spend on Pokerstars, Full Tilt, etc, politicians were like, "This is disgraceful, it's obvious terrorism, anyone in their right mind can see it."

You're not going to change anything until you can do three monumental things:
1. Show that online poker that is housed in America will not only make money for American companies, but will also not impact American casino's negatively.
2. Show that online poker does not lead, in general, to one click of the mouse, you lose your house. At least no more than investing in the stock market.
3. Show that online poker is not a vehicle to launder money.

The point is PPA in Washington is already urging people to do what you are urging! They are telling people to write, to call, to tweet, and to post. And not just once a year.

The problem is as the old saying goes, you can lead a horse to water......

How am I derailing this thread? Unless all you want in here is a bunch of yes men. You did title this thread a view and I should be free to share my view on your idea.

So you are advocating people lie? And what name do you give your think tank if someone asks the name?

You are right that more people need to get active.

One thing that people can do is if they have relatives (or friends) in other states is educate those people and then urge them to contact their people in Congress.

As long as Sheldon Adelson, a key industry player, opposes online poker it will very difficult for it to pass.

lol congress DIDN'T do something. give yourself a round of applause.

OP, what sort of response did you get from the people you called? My experience on almost any matter is that they say something generic like "thank you for your input. We will look at this matter closely and follow the legislation...blah, blah, blah" and rarely even say which side of the issue they are actually support, or whether they will actually do anything about it. This is because they know they have voters on both sides of any issue, so they don't want to commit to anything.

Did any senator or aide you spoke with actually do anything other than thank you for your call?

Ok...Well I see what you're saying xyz congressmen, but why should the American people have to suffer over comapnies decisions to do that?
In what industry do average people have to suffer because of the actions of the top people at a company in which the consumer had no part of decision making wise?

The owners have left the firm, theyve paid their huge fines, and now its time to let Americans play the all AMerican game of texas hold'em again with the rest of the world.

It's time to just as this great movie clip shows:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvbmlkL6DTs

Just start dialing man. Time hasn't been kind to us at all, if you cant realize that you're blind as a bat.



And I'm not advocating lie per se. Ive called 5 different states today, and only 1 was nit picky enough to bring up the fact that I said I was from a different state and eventually hung up.

The reps mainly never ask you that much at least from what I've seen. Just tell them yeh man I'm calling as a concerned constituent...I mean its been 4 years with minimal progress. We're almost on the defensive with Sheldon the billionare.

Back in college, when they outlawed it, me and my friends would get high and prank call and just go off on tirades as a joke...but effectively having a conversation with them in a somewhat nice but not push over kind of way I think can be really effective, and I think its what we're missing at a higher volume level. That's what I've learned through the years. I've made many calls every month since black friday.

The best results I get are, thanks for bringing that to my attention, it doesn't sound like a bad idea, chuckle at the comparisons of dk and online lottery and just close with a hey well are you going to make senator xyz aware of this?
That's what I think you kind have to say most times.

And just be like hey man I'm gonna call back, and I wanna know they were made aware of this.

When they give you that so-so answer man, you just have to act shocked.
Like just ask them why? Just argue logics and comparisons with them until they hang up in your mofo face.

Both of you calm down with the "**** off" or "GTFO" comments or more substantial action will be taken.

IPoker isn't what you think it means, OP.

Well, the alternative was the other side getting RAWA shoehorned into Cromnibus like UIGEA was shoehorned into The Safe Ports Act.

When you tell people to fill in an address they don't live at in order for the system to send their message, you are telling them to lie. That is what I was talking about.

Yes, ma'am.

Where you been?

Did you vote last election, or were you that guy man. Whatever a guy man is

The only ones that have enough money/power to change ipoker legislation is Stars. Either they'll play ball, donate a **** ton of money, and get it legalized, or they won't.

It depends. Sometimes I say pizza huts address in xyz or I just say yeh man I'm just a constituent in your state and keep on with my points.

We're up against 50-70 year old goons when it comes to this issue because they have no clue what Internet poker is and as a community, we just let them create their own fantasy about what our hobby or what our career or job actually is.

If you lined up their logic vs ours its like a 3rd grader vs a student getting their MBA. You dont always need to play a by the books approach vs dolts like that. Sometimes you can just keep dialing and lower the quantity of each message.

You just have to keep dialing man. Not enough people just keep dialing the phones every month. I'm not advocating call every day like a junkie but at least 1x per month to 5-10 different senator or congressional aides.

If 80% of the US online poker community did that, we'd have legalization this year.

I mean this could be true, but what is the point in even liking poker as a hobby if you live in the U.S. if you're going to sit there and say this yet not make your 5-10 calls a month.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvbmlkL6DTs


No I didnt vote last election man. The internet poker debate isnt about elections obv u prolly know this...its just an off brand issue that too many people shy away from and we just need to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvbmlkL6DTs and get in their face more.

AADynasty,

Given you have a state senator as a neighbor, have you asked him to introduce a bill allowing companies to offer online poker in your state?

The more states with online poker makes it harder for the federal government to ban it.

I made calls, I talked to my governor and rep personally. I voted. I posted on facebook/twitter/sent in email messages. I even wrote letters to the people running that me and my family are a single issue household.

The sad truth though, is that matters VERY LITTLE compared to what Stars/Party could of done, or could be doing.

It'd be like getting into a bar fight, and being pissed at the 4 year old for not "pulling his weight" in the fight when the 200 pound bad ass biker sat there doing nothing.

I hear ya man, nice work. I just think nows the time to hammer it home because Pokerstars A. has new owners and B. they've paid massive fines for the issues at hand.

When you are judging the effectiveness of your contact or the degree of support for your cause, how do you rate the contact when :

"they hang up in your mofo face".

Do you grade the contact as + (supporter), - (opponent), or 0 (neutral) ?

FWIW, I am also curious whether your State Senator neighbor agreed to introduce an online poker bill in Michigan or not.

Finally, I have been involved with online gaming for 15+ years, I am over 60, so cut the age bias angle. It makes you look foolish when you underestimate your opposition in politics