That's a bit like putting a tourniquet around your neck because your head is bleeding, isnt it? You're not really solving anything doing it that way...

Look, we're never going to eliminate cheating altogether. There could always be two ******s IMing each other their hands. It's also no secret that online poker has been on the decline in the US since UIGEA. For online poker to continue to flourish or get back to 04-05 levels, we certainly don't need 60 minutes telling America that the casinos we're supposed to trust are cheating them. Poker already has a bad enough reputation off the tables as it is.

Yes we should all just sit back do nothing and let the cheaters bend us over, steal our money, and then threaten us when we investigate them. Yeah that will show them.

Macgyver, just let the real men and woman handle this and you just stay on the sidelines and keep your mouth shut, pussy.

You could have more to lose by not seeing this through to its logical conclusion. For instance, there has to be more people like myself that will not put anymore money on a poker site until there is closure and the bad guys are at least removed from the picture. Maybe I am one of the fish. I have never had a large enough BR to find out to my own satisfaction. If the industry becomes regulated and approved and yes, even taxed, I will reconsider. But not until then. For now just consider me an educated fish. If there are a lot of other players out there like myself, you'd better hope for a good conclusion to this, because 60 Minutes will be airing the story and more fish will be educated.

That's not what I'm suggesting at all. However, we're going about this the wrong way and spreading more negative light on a subject and industry already clouded in negativity.

Ad hominem

Please look at my last 2 posts on this thread about getting the word out.
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sick list

lol rush limbaugh

nice job mook!

im going to send cliff notes to every single link posted by mook startin tomorrow. I will start sending around 9am from the top of the list. If we all do this around the same time they will definitely acknowledge the storys legitimacy. ty for taking the time to put that good list together.

Thank You for all those doing the real work. Much Appreciated. Anything I can do to help those who need it.

I submitted this to the Las Vegas Review Journal and Channel 13 here in Vegas. I also emphasized that a former WSOP champion and local Las Vegan Russ Hamilton is linked to the superuser accounts. I submitted this about a week ago.

Howard Stern may jump on this seeing as how he is a recreational poker player

Please send a short summary of the UB scandal and the appropriate links to these members of the media some of these contacts may be outdated but I got them from a media guy and the vast majority are current. They are mostly Vegas media contacts. Many of these contacts should have at least heard of some of the people who live in Vegas and have been mentioned as possibly being involved in this scandal...Please be sure to use the links to the sticky and any other good links and please ask your friends to send this out too. I don't think we can send too many emails... Thanks.

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This can hurt online poker overall if word gets out to all the media. Then online poker will be sent to congress and banned.

What happens in online poker should stay within the poker community and UB should be judged from within by us the poker players boycotting there site.

Keep in mind most "main stream" media outlets view
poker as sleazy gambling and not a gentleman's game.
They may not sympathize with online poker players getting cheated. The Kahnawake aspect* is know in Canada(woosies) but not in the US which 1/3 of Kahnawake land is located.
*see Cornell Figi on Kahnawake

OnlinePoker is already broken... and is getting worse. The only way to fix it is through full disclosure, and then regulation.

i think it would be more profitable for winning online players to have the media not know anything about this

Quick about me Mookman5. I am most likely a losing online low stakes player. I have self excluded myself from play on Pokerstars and Full Tilt until Dec. 12. I emailed UltimateBET and said I had a gambling problem. Buy they still allowed me and my backers, Mastercard and Visa to play. Then I found a good story.

This about the poker site Absolute Poker and the owners/cheaters

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21381022/?GT1=10450

Then I see on the the news section for the site I am currently playing, Ultimatebet. The cheating seems so similar.

http://www.ultimatebet.com/poker-new...igation-Update
http://www.ultimatebet.com/poker-new...-Status-Update

Since i am under investigation for fraud, if you have any questions in regards to security at Ultimatebet. please call their Security team for UB/AP at 1-877-887-6537.

Then I figure a credible news source, a somewhat credible site, making public statements, I went to a highly respected Online Poker Forum, 2p2 poker forum I lurk for awhile. The I Find this Story with a lot of hard to dispute facts.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...d.php?t=251207

A "sticky" as they say.

I say tell these new people...... thx to the one whoe sent me this


5newsdesk@kvvu.com, 8@wnmail.klastv.com, A.D._HOPKINS@LASVEGAS.COM, a.d._hopkins@reviewjournal.com, aarambulo@klastv.com, afunk@klastv.com, AKiraly@lvcitylife.com, AMaimon@reviewjournal.com, andrewkiraly@gmail.com, aporter@kvbc.com, BCORREA@kvbc.com, Bill.Rempel@latimes.com, CGeer@reviewjournal.com, chume@ktnv.com, DCLAYTON@kvbc.com, desk@ktnv.com, dgentry@klastv.com, drosch@kvbc.com, DSchwartz@reviewjournal.com, dspears@ktnv.com, editor@elkodaily.com, ENeff@reviewjournal.com, fox5news@kvvu.com, german@lasvegassun.com, gknapp@klastv.com, Glenn_Puit@lvrj.com, GPuit@reviewjournal.com, GRAMALHO@kvbc.com, gschumacher@reviewjournal.com, JKerr@reviewjournal.com, jane@reviewjournal.com, jkotnik@kvbc.com, JMorrison@reviewjournal.com, joshua.longobardy@gmgvegas.com, JSmith@reviewjournal.com, kcapozzo@kvbc.com, koch@ lvsun.com, koch@lasvegassun.com, ktnv13@ktnv.com, lhidalgo@kvbc.com, lkrifaton@kvvu.com, manning@lasvegassun.com, mduran@klastv.com, michrist@worldnet.att.net, msquires@reviewjournal.com, Nevpress@pyramid.net, newsdesk@kvvu.com, newstips@rgj.com, nvpress@callatg.com, pfrancis@klastv.com, scrupi@kvbc.com, SSebelius@lvcitylife.com, thall@klastv.com, Thomas_Mitchell@lvrj.com, vin@lvrj.com, VSuprynowicz@reviewjournal.com

And also these people.

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CNN
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List of Email addresses for all NBC news programs

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MSNBC
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Phone: (201) 583-5000
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CNBC
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PBS
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The NewsHour with Jim Lehrer: newshour@pbs.org

National Radio Programs

National Public Radio
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The Rush Limbaugh Show
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Sean Hannity Show
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National Newspapers

The Los Angeles Times
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Phone: 800-528-4637 or 213-237-5000
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Letters to the Editor: letters@latimes.com
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The Washington Post
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Contact Washington Post Writers and Editors

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Newsweek
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Time
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U.S. News & World Report
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Thank you to everyone. Nat my new Hero, Cornellfiji #2. I have been currently under investigation for Fraud for a week on Ultimatebet. They are calling me tomorrow they say. I am innocent. Let me know how i did for my first post?

Mookman5

. add any other emails, like howard stern and send.

I don't think you understand. UB and AP Cheated. Online poker is broken. The PPA is lobbying to overturn UIEGA and/or exclude online poker from UIEGA (without much success I might add), PPA is primarily funded by by online sites... if they are successful, all that changes is its easier for people to send money to and from unregulated offshore corporations - some of which have admitted to stealing from their own customers.... These corporations need to be prosecuted and the public needs to be aware... the current approach is not working. The online sites dont want to be taxed and regulated they want to be offshore unregulated but they want to be able to move money around.. can't have it both ways. If online poker gets licensed, regulated, taxed by US we will see a player boom much greater than Moneymaker boom that will be good for online poker. Its going to have to get worse before it gets better and its going to take US intervention to assure fair games.

I don't understand. What do you mean you are under investigation for fraud on UB?

Does anybody know when the new episode of BPS will air on pokerroad radio? I have been awaiting haralabob's reaction to new findings.

BG mentioned on poker road radio that bob knew more about this than he himself did.

Rush. I tried to sign on, the night after I lost all my money, around $150. The next day I tried to sign on and it said invalid player name???? So I email ultimatebet and ask why I cant sign on.

Thank you for contacting us.

We have forwarded your email to our Security Department. They will contact you as soon as possible.

Do not hesitate to contact us if you require further assistance or additional information.

Best regards,

Carlos B
UltimateBet ~ Customer Support
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Ensure the security of your account! Never give out your password and change it frequently!


--Original Message--
From: mcmenace@aol.com
Date: 07/16/08
To: support@ultimatebet.com
Subject: mookman5[#9450439]

I am trying to sign in and its says mookman5 is not a valid name. i just played last night. Went broke, ready to deposit but cant sign in, it says "invalid player name" why?

mookman5


next email i get.

Dear Michael,

Thank you for choosing Ultimate Bet.
Please be advised that your account has been temporarily suspended because we found you to be involved in suspicious and/or fraudulent activity. Furthermore, your account is currently being reviewed by our Investigations Team.
Please understand that such investigations are necessary to protect the integrity of our system and provide the best gaming experience possible.
We will be contacting you as soon as the investigation is complete. We would like to take the time to apologize for this inconvenience and we also thank you for your patience and cooperation.
Please do not hesitate to contact us if you have further inquiries.


Please let us know if you require any assistance.

Best regards,

Amy
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Ultimate Bet does not take responsibility for any agreements made between players at the tables. Keep your login information and funds secure.

--Original Message--
From: mcmenace@aol.com
Date: 07/16/08
To: support@ultimatebet.com
Subject: mookman5[#9450439]

I am trying to sign in and its says mookman5 is not a valid name. i just played last night. Went broke, ready to deposit but cant sign in, it says "invalid player name" why?

mookman5


next email

To assist you further, we require you to call the following number:

1-877-887-6537

We would appreciate if you could give us a call at your earliest convenience.

Please let us know if you require any assistance.

Best regards,

Randy
UltimateBet ~ Security Department
'The Ultimate Poker Experience'

It’s official. We’re heading back to Aruba for the 2008 Aruba Poker Classic - September 27 to October 4, 2008 – and bringing a million bucks with us for the main event champion. Qualifiers for this multi-million dollar island event begin January 2008. Watch your inbox for details on how you can win your way to both Aruba and the 2008 World Series of Poker for next to nothing.

Ultimate Bet does not take responsibility for any agreements made between players at the tables. Keep your login information and funds secure.

--Original Message--
From: mcmenace@aol.com
Date: 07/18/08
To: support@ultimatebet.com
Subject: Re: mookman5 [#9450439[#9463581]








I have sent 2 emails, and received no notice yet. I promise I was not involved in any --- "Please be advised that your account has been temporarily suspended because we


found you to be involved in suspicious and/or fraudulent activity. Furthermore,
your account is currently being reviewed by our Investigations Team."

I saw suspicious activity, reported the 2 names, and they were still playing the next day, my account was close less than 12 hours after a report? I have not played all that much, so there shold not be tooo much to investigate.
PLEASE Get me an update or I, along with my 2 deposits a week, are no longer going to play on the site. period. not any thype of threat, just upset about being wrongfull accused and not given any updates.


thx

From: support@ultimatebet.com
To: mcmenace@aol.com
Sent: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 9:18 am
Subject: RE:mookman5 [#9450439]

I called the number. once. on 7-19-08 at 4:05am The guy told me to call back between 9am and 5pm. He could see what i needed help with

Called again at 11:14am 7-19-08. NICE LADY. put me on hold for awhile. comes back on. asks for my phone number, if it is ok? to have a Supervisor call me on Monday, 7-21-08? verifies my number. I promise I did not cheat. So i am eager about the call back

not to be a stickler but Kahnawake reserve is totally in quebec, canada across the river from montreal. the akwasasne? reserve, also mohawk, straddles ontario, quebec and new york state. akwasasne has its own issues what with cigarette and weed smuggling. they also have their own chief, not joe norton

i wish this was the real eric the midget so he can call stern and inform him of this. He would be happy to spread the word about some fat **** stealing millions from people playing a game much like one he loves, chess.

It was posted earlier today, but only had about 1/2 the episode (~29 min). It's since been taken down altogether.