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10-26-2011 , 05:19 PM

#76

soah

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That was basically it.

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10-26-2011 , 05:23 PM

#77

belly buster

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Originally Posted by aggo

Who is this guy? Someone do a cliffs on his biography.

He is a bully, a control freak and lacking in interpersonal skills.

Oh you meant Anthony!

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10-26-2011 , 05:28 PM

#78

belly buster

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Originally Posted by trymyk

dont really read this forum much but what did dutch boyd do?

From http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009...ed-trademark-/

Boyd responded to the lawsuit with this e-mailed statement: "It is never fun to be sued, especially by someone you look up to and respect professionally.''

"Mason Malmuth is a genius poker theorist and poker author and his books are largely responsible for much of my own success in poker, including my World Series of Poker bracelet.

"Personally, however, Mason has shown over and over that he is a bully and willing to outspend his perceived adversaries into submission.

"The lawsuit he is bringing against me is based on a domain name that he currently owns: `twoplustwopoker.com.' It is without merit and is designed to encourage me to pay him off or face a substantial legal bill defending myself against it.

"Unfortunately, the strategy will work, and he will be successful in wasting both of our time and money as well as the Nevada taxpayers' money. The only people who will be coming out ahead in this game is Mr. Malmuth's overpriced attorneys."

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10-26-2011 , 05:51 PM

#79

Do Not Blink

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Originally Posted by belly buster

If Duth Boyd didnt **** with mason, make money off this site he would have never been in this position to begin with. Mason has obv made it clear, infringe on his property, intellectual or otherwise and will come after you with as much firepower as he can, - enjoy the ride Dutch

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10-26-2011 , 06:44 PM

#80

acethiest

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Originally Posted by soah

This is the same guy who made a site explaining how to make fraudulent deposits on PokerStars and encouraged everyone to do it and deliberately lose the money to regular players so that Stars would be forced to eat the loss. He also tried to to steal money from google via fraudulent clicks on his google ads, and he registered a domain name that had "google" in it and contained content from google.

As best I can tell, he broke the terms of service for every site that he used, usually in multiple ways, and there are probably at least 3 parties besides 2p2 who could sue him for damages. I didn't even check out half of the sites he spammed here so it could very well be more, since the sites I did look at all contained mostly stolen content.

To pretend he had any sort of noble purpose in anything he did is laughable. And that's even without considering his outlandish bigotry.

Yes apparantly he owes several casinos (including FTP) 5 figure amounts in chargebacks.

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10-26-2011 , 07:09 PM

#81

AdamSmall

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Definitely ****ed with the wrong guy

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10-26-2011 , 07:26 PM

#82

crdjeep

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Good luck getting paid.

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10-26-2011 , 07:41 PM

#83

Stormwolf

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How much of the $150K will endup in the lawyers pocket including all fees?

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10-26-2011 , 07:46 PM

#84

rustyshackelford

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Originally Posted by belly buster

He is a bully, a control freak and lacking in interpersonal skills.

Oh you meant Anthony!

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10-26-2011 , 07:51 PM

#85

teddyFBI

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Originally Posted by Toadman15241

When the other guy doesn't show up in court it is hard to lose Mason. Let's not pretend there was a trial or something.

There is no decision to go along with the order. Link to order. https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&p...4MzU3&hl=en_US

Is there any written record of what the court's reasoning was? Maybe something provided to Mason?

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10-26-2011 , 07:59 PM

#86

Bdidd

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OP with 1/2 chest thumping, 1/2 passive aggressive cautionary tale

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10-26-2011 , 08:03 PM

#87

Bdidd

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Less than $3500 in attorney fees? Did you have a kid repping you right out of law school charging $75 an hour?

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10-26-2011 , 08:18 PM

#88

Jeff Oneye

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Congratulations on your successful lawsuit. I'm disappointed by those who rationalize away their theft as 'sharing in the free exchange of ideas.' Stealing people's intellectual property is just as repulsive and harmful as robbing them of tangible assets.

I'm really hopeful that Russ Boyd is finally forced to accept some responsibility for his wantonly selfish behavior. If I had the economic means, I'd take him to court for issuing me worthless checks (e.g. Pokerspot). At least one of his victims has the means and desire to hold him accountable.

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10-26-2011 , 09:50 PM

#89

pizdec

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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth

Hi Everyone:

Two Plus Two recently obtained a judgment from the United States District Court, District of Nevada, for $150,000.00 in statutory damages for the willful infringement of our trademark and copyrights. The judgment also includes reimbursement of our costs and attorney fees. The Defendant in the suit was Anthony Scocozzo (and/or one of his several aliases), a former member of the Two Plus Two forums, who registered a domain name containing our famous "TWO PLUS TWO" trademark and offered several of our copyrighted books for free download in the "e-book" format. We tried on numerous occasions to resolve the suit prior to litigation, but the Defendant refused to cooperate. Therefore, we had to file suit and enforce our intellectual property rights. Although we certainly don't enjoy litigation, we pursue lawsuits when we have to in order to protect ourselves from infringers. We are quite happy with the outcome and judgment in this case.

Mason Malmuth

Let us know if you ever collect?

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10-27-2011 , 01:55 AM

#90

Stoop Kid

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Boom. Roasted.

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10-27-2011 , 05:54 PM

#91

Toadman15241

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Originally Posted by teddyFBI

Is there any written record of what the court's reasoning was? Maybe something provided to Mason?

Would be illegal for something to just be given to Mason. The transcript of the hearing might include the reasoning for the decision but I'm not paying to get that.

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10-27-2011 , 06:10 PM

#92

Klakteuh

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So what are you going to do with the money MM ? Hukers & blow ?

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10-27-2011 , 06:33 PM

#93

Doc T River

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Originally Posted by Toadman15241

Would be illegal for something to just be given to Mason. The transcript of the hearing might include the reasoning for the decision but I'm not paying to get that.

I don't think he meant it like that.

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10-29-2011 , 12:37 AM

#94

KL03

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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth

We tried on numerous occasions to resolve the suit prior to litigation, but the Defendant refused to cooperate.

I'm curious about this. Was it "C&D or we'll sue you for $150k" or "give us $5k or we'll sue you for $150k"? In cases of non-commercial copyright infringement, I believe the former is appropriate. The latter gives them very little incentive to stop the infringing activity because they aren't going to pay up when they didn't profit from the infringement.

I want to be clear on this point though: what this guy was doing was certainly wrong and 2p2 must have an avenue to stop the infringing activity.

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10-29-2011 , 02:15 AM

#95

BenG2813

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Whatchu want. A back pat.

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10-29-2011 , 04:09 AM

#96

Tomark

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So basically he is napster and you are mettalica.

Not something to brag about to internet people.

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10-29-2011 , 04:44 AM

#97

Gone Goose

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So this is the internet version of a head on a pike, amirite?

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10-29-2011 , 05:58 AM

#98

Michael Davis

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You should let the market figure it out, if people want good content in the future they will continue to buy your books but if not they will buy the pirated versions. Dollars speak and getting the government involved is an unfortunate strategy, certainly not something John Galt would do.

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10-29-2011 , 10:52 AM

#99

glenrice1

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Originally Posted by Michael Davis

LOL. It actually is exactly what John Galt would do. The government enforcing property rights and contracts is about as Libertarian as you get. Stealing someone's property whether physical or intellectual is immoral. Maybe you should actually read Atlas Shrugged, instead of getting one of the core tenets of the philosophy wrong.