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Originally Posted by borg23
and most people who own cash businesses massively under report, but at least now you're acknowledging this goes on
i would even venture to say most poker pros, especially those on the lower end of income dont report and its even easier for them bc there really is no way for the irs to even know they play poker
Actually, I haven't changed my position at all - you're just confused.
There are plenty of dishonest people that pay their taxes honestly simply because it would be very difficult for them to evade their taxes safely. If they worked in an environment that deals with cash reporting, then yes, I'd expect them to cheat.
However, simply because this is true, doesn't mean that *most* people massively under-report their income in cash businesses. That is, unless you think *most* people are dishonest.
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Originally Posted by borg23
i've even seen players refuse to swipe in for this reason, and even saw a guy turn down a bad beat jackpot share (5k or so) who was a 5/10 and 10/20 reg bc he didnt want anyone to even know he played poker
if you own a pizza store or something its a lot harder to hide the fact the business exists at all
what % of waiters do you think file taxes 100 pct honestly? and since we're going off the fact that people will cheat if they can let's ignore places that track how much in sales each waiter has for the year to make it as easy as possible for them to lie.
Again,
dishonest people cheat on their taxes. No shocker there, but I'm not "going off the fact that *people* will cheat if they can". I think honest people won't cheat if they have the opportunity to.
So you're question really is, how many waiters do I think are dishonest? I don't know.
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Originally Posted by 2OutsNoProb
^^^^^ Bingo. The IRS has no idea that these people are even at the tables.
Bingo...? No, I think everyone realizes that the best way to evade taxes is to make income from a source that is undocumented. That said, tax cheats, in any field, have to be able to substantiate how they live.
This is kind of going in circles, though. Both of you are saying that most people cheat on their taxes if given the chance, and I'm saying only the dishonest people do. I think that is the same thing, so really the only point of contention here is that you guys think there's more dishonest people than honest people in the world. I have no desire to debate that, though.