have you got a link or proof where the sites have said this ?

earlier in this thread JoeyDel posted a chat log in email and last Nov Amaya said in a press release that is also linked in this thread they would leave if the bill was passed.

whitlam dropping bombs

Tom Waterhouse is a bad bad bad man apparently.

I will write more later but this is just round 1. We aren't dead until it passes in the Senate.

Job for everyone - listen to (or read) the speeches and let me know anyone who may be sympathetic or at the very least doesn't mention it.

Going to try and get this brought back down to the house later so need to know who to target.

Thanks

100% the Member for Whitlam (Stephen Patrick Jones). Was the only sensible speech given.

Only the member for Whitlam has provided useful insight saying this is well meaning but ineffective. The rest is just repetitive rubbish or scaremongering or both.

So what date could it be potentially approved by senate?

seems the prevailing argument is "think of the children"

lol so true

Can anyone fill me in on how the timeline works from here? What and especially when is the next step? Is late Feb still the earliest tlme the bill might pass or could they pull the plug even sooner?

not sure if i heard from the start and missed the finish but here we go…
someone from labor
· spoke about advertising and a transition plan. move 2nd reading.
· consult broadcasters for transition plan. put government on notice. must extend consumer protection. missed opportunity to ban credit.


from the whip (member for forrest noala morina)
· sends strong message to overseas operators. international experience shows a combination of strong enforcement and regulation. since introduction of the bills, already a number of strong offshore providoers won't provide services.
· allows enforcement against actors. online gambling can be a convenient entertainment or a curse.
· gone are the days where people need to go to a racecourse. $2.4bn spent on online gambling.double 10 years ago. aussies spend 1245 per capita including many who can't afford. in australia we spend more on gambling than on insuring our health.
· historically it was poker around the table with a group of friends.
· all sorts of gambling to poker machine, national lotteries and supported in homes because spent on the community good.
· look at horse raacing, odds are calcuated to minimise risk to the bookies. historically it was not unknown for the bookies to go broke. today the internationally owned as a result of computing programs make sure their profits are maintained. been a transfer to online to
· questionable service providers.
· we've seen disruption of internet in many forms. look at the impact to local bookies - they've disappeared.
· less tax revenue for governments, fewer jobs for australians.
· some illegal offshore sites are connected to crime syndicates. when on 7 september examined the impacts a number of suggestions came up.
· no. of aussie accounts grown from 200k to 400k. peopole operating on multiple accounts. gov would implement 18 out of 19. amount of money
· being spent could be as high as $400m annually. previous estimates
· closes to $1bn annually.
· review was that gov should reduce scope of illegal offshore companies.
· in addition the rate of probelm gamblers is higher for onlline compared to offshore.
· has an impact on local economy. members would have seen the impact on the local impact, economic impact to racecourses.
· it is the intent of the gov to strengthen protections. to provide clarity. civil penalty enforced by acma - critical part of the process.t his demonstrates how serious we are
· also build relationships with offshore regulators to help ban
· offshore gambling has been linked to cyber crime etc


labor member for isaacs mark dreyfus
· broadly support main focus
· well regulated gambling has a place.
· work with the broadcasters to respond
· we've moved from tobacco to gambling.
· changes the way kids talk and think




roand ramsay gov whip
· doesn't tend to gamble online. tends to bet locally
· gambling underwrties all the major gambling cups and protects those interests
· generated great horses like makybe diva
· illegal offshore industry are cyphoning $400m per year
· digital world has unlocked oppoortunites like live gambling which drives corruption, drug cheats. look at fine cotton scandal, look at hanse cronje, match fixing is at a crisis level, cycling drug cheating and incentives to win driven by gambling.
· the interet is challengin. look at the changes to the retail industry.
· look at revenge porn, news services, cyber bullying and it's where gambling takes place. if an individual’s action don't impact others, we should be very careful of how we regulate those actions. we need to take them on a case by case basis.
· can't say retailers can't buy from whoever they choose as long as they pay tax.
· people have a right to see news
· look at impersonation, cyber bullying. gov should shut down
· why can't we gamble wherever we want. it should be. those not registered are circumventing our regulations and tax laws and having an impact on the industry, the case is solid.
· gov is adopting 18 out of 19. proportion of gambling is 3x higher
· online gambling is growing at 15% p.a. which underlines gov urgency
· commends the regulation. we need to keep order and protects our thoroughbread industry


member for hindmarsh and to support the amendment
· add that we have a wonderful thoroughbread industry and employs many people in his electorate.
· no prude for gambling but people become hooked. he attends the races a few times a year but there are other people that have different issues.
· where gambling becomes a problem creates a huge effect for the gambler
· and those around.
· 1 problem gambler can impact 5 to 10 others. 5 million imapcted by problem gamblers each year. only 15% of problem gamblers seek help.
· need to restrict the illegal online gamblers. will clarify the issue of illegal offshore gambling
· grown rapidy eg accounts frew 2004 200k to 800k
· touch of a button anyime anywhere makes vulnerable people vulnerable
· led to exceptional growth of offshore operators
· impacted on australian industry like thoroughbread and hotel \poker maching in sa hit lower level since 2003. punerts are moving
· away from that to online games where there is less oversight
· danger is that people are moving to offshore wehre there is much less oversight
· all sorts of gambling has danger but you can put lots of money at a click of a button.
· with traditional forms, you have a bit of time to think before the next race. with interactive, it is immediate (click to call).
· calling on the govenment on a transition plan
· feels very strongly to reduce adverising.


member for conrangamite- sarah henderson
· bill implements key parts to the recommendation, we have bipartisanship
· pokies take $50bn. geelong 4th on list of pokies losers. this is a big issue. poker losses in her district of 7.7m
· people spending offshore of $64-$400m will amend the gambling act to
· make clear that it is illegal to offer gambling unless a local licence is held.
· puts company directors on movement alert list. register of legal operators
· going to work with state to introduce a strong consumer protection framework
· another example of how the turnbull government protects families.
· it's regrettable that it hasn't been dealt with earlier
· mimimal enforcement is why illegal operators have been providing services. this bill sends a clear message to overseas operators. will not allow operators to come in and exploit families
· australia has been a grey market but amendments to the house, operators now know they can't come into the country. we have seen illegal operators cease or will cease offering services.
· urge people on the other sise to pass the bill in the house of reps and then the senate.
· commend this bill to the house



member for whitlam (alp)
· a well meaning but ineffective bill
· O’Farrell latest of a number of the bill is well meaning to restrict certain
· ineffective for several reasons
· transnational are notoriously difficult to ban
· there are prohibited offerred to ausstralia. sometimes those businesses are regulated in their jurisiction. sometimes not.
· seek leave to submit. bet online casinos in Australia page. leave not granted to submit dooucment. top 10 casinos and how they rate. examples of games you can play. live dealer games, pokies, etc, etc. what is interesting is that these games that these are already banned by the 2001 bill. proudly promoted today. it says "is it legal". "yes in effect Australia gambling companies, it's not illegal to play. they may be infringing but it is not illegal for players to utilise the offer"
· in a nutshell why this is ineffective.
· quite contrary to the earlier comments, we should be looking to more effective means of dealing with these issues
· 2nd reason ineffective - lack of willingness to prosecute the law. they have limited resources and prosecuting transnational is notoriously difficult. should they spend on terrorist/paedophiles or gambling
· not a reason to opposes the bill but let's be dishonest as to what the bill does
· et's look at more effective means like regulation.
· steep declining of offshore gambling coincides with ability for local to offer. this should be instructive to lawmakers for the best way forward. not against having a punt. has one now and again. for some, it's destroyed lives. since coming in 2010, considering the laws re: regulating gambling.
· he was an advocate in 2013 and sat on the declining. he was happy the improvements that took place at that point and new improvements they put in place. thought that was a first step to show the tv could comply.


member for mayo (xeonophon rep)
· australians love to gamble but we spend more tha anyone else in the world per capita
· as long as companies can prey, then change needs to occur
· doesn't want childrent to be thinking about the odds of the game.
· dismayed by being bombarded on ads.
· gambling hurts australians every year
· 500k are at risk or are already problem gamblers. they lose 20k each p.a. $13bn out of $20bn spent on pokies. young do it most. would like to see ISP to block websites
· some provisions allow in play betting live at venues electronicall
· in play betting is especially dangerous when swayed by emotions and may have consumed alcohol
· bill is a good first step but would like it go further and be moving amendments to speak to that effect


member for lyons - brian mitchell
· at 18 we have determined as a society that people can gamble and drink alcohol
· not for children. should be protected from linking gambling and sport
· social implications for offshore operators. not the same harm minimisation rules.
· less than 1% of australians are problem gamblrs aporx 90k families.
· there's no causal link between online and problem gamblers
· majority bet in a responsible manner eg lotto or an occasional flutter on cup day. labor knows that it can have devastating consequences. need to be harm minimisation in place. it's why they asked productivity commission and rejected a lessening unless harm minimisation.


member for denison andrew wilkie
· government should be applauded for fixing online gambling and the problems caused by offshore sites.
· however, one deficiency that the member for mayo seeks to address and wilkie. this bill allows the liberalisation for in play in gambling betting. amendment for the 3rd reading seeking clarity to the technology that can be used for in play
· missed opportunity that we are not addressing the biggest problem ie children are being bombarded.
· calls for a national self exclusion database.
· genuine crackdown for provision of credit for online gambling so include credit card. they say it's technically feasible to stop the use of credit card for online gambling.
· the reform ignores the 200k poker machines of which 100k australian gambling addicts are losing $5bn

Thanks for cliffs pies, had to step in a meeting for a lot of it. Biggest thing was bipartisanship, so this looks like it's full steam ahead. Sounds like if any amendments are coming it will be for live in play betting at casinos/TAB, not anything poker related.

Sounds like we're ****ed. No one is vouching for poker or giving a ****. And let's be honest - this is about money leaving the country. Not about harm reduction or anything else otherwise they would clearly target pokies venues that currently clutter every poor neighbourhood in Australia.

I think all of us in this thread - and any associated groups - should all agree on the same site, should we continue playing - so at least our combined traffic all lands in the same place, rather than being spread out among a whole bunch of sites with zero traffic.

Geez. Who am I kidding anyway. This is the ****ing end. GG.

I think I registered my PokerStars account in 2005 good run

Maybe best to stay spreadout incase grouping up draws attention to that site.

I was thinking maybe Seals With Clubs.. Maybe this could be the push to take-off bitcoin gambling. Take that stupid governments!

I completely agree that children should be protected, the sports betting ads during game be removed and further preventative measures to help problem gamblers be introduced.

But know one has the right to tell someone how to spend their own money. Where's the government when somone buys a lemon of a business and loses hundreds of thousands? Where's the government when im drunk and spending too much money at the casino? where's the government when someone is paying a higher interest rate for the life of a home loan?

I mean their are so many ways in society we can make poor decisions and lose a lot of money, the list can go on and on.

Stop being a ****ing nanny state and try and wrap us in teflon. People make decisions with their own money, for better or for worse. Deal with it.

Our only chance is to get a couple of influential people from both sides (starting with the member for Whitlam) and somehow find a way to regulate this in an intelligent way.
For a bilaterally supported amendments, Some of the arguments provided by the politicians today were so laughable that it just makes you lose faith eg implement IGA and poker machine growth will improve - as if that's a good thing. Or implement IGA to stop the crime gangs. Or implement IGA so Aussies can try and beat the local bookie and local thoroughbreads racing will flourish. Implement IGA because the offshore entities don't pay taxes (as opposed to regulating so they can).
It's only the member for Whitlam that came up with any comments of substance.

I'll watch his speech when I can maybe we can all arrange to call him and ask for his support and see if we can get joey a meeting with him

Is this relevant to us:

On 28 February 2017

Business of the Senate—Orders of the Day

1 Economics References Committee
Report to be presented on the penalties for white collar crime or misconduct.

2 Environment and Communications Legislation Committee
Report to be presented on the Interactive Gambling Amendment (Sports Betting Reform) Bill 2015. (Referred pursuant to Selection of Bills Committee report.)

http://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_...s/Notice_Paper

Bill was just agreed to and consideration in detail concluded.

Good game

EDIT: Agreed to in principle, still needs to be read a third time but as I said is likely just a formality.

So does that mean that i'll come into effect more or less immediately?

Not yet, still needs to be read a third time then it will go to the Senate to get voted on. The senate calendar says it's to be debated on 28th February but that could be pushed up

Alright thanks. So they read it twice in one day and the third reading is... when? Is there any time to do some last minute lobbying assuming it's not today?

If it gets to the senate will it be too late do anything, as in will it just be a yes/no vote and 99% likely to be voted yes?