Not enough clicks in it for Dougie, he craves the attention and this won't do it for him.

Yep online poker is dead, go tell the at least one million players who play every month. They need to stop.

Oh wait, you said "at least in the USA". Yup, MURICA is the world, forgot about that.

Go have another scotch, why are you even on an online poker forum? Oh wait you drink it "on da rocks" typical don't even know how to properly taste and not water down your whisky.

The most amazing thing about this entire debacle;

GG KNEW about the exploit. What did they do?

The patched the software but DID NOT make it mandatory.

More importantly THEY DIDN'T BAN THE ACCOUNT THEY ADMIT THAT THEY KNEW WAS DOING IT!! FOR TWO f'n WEEKS AT LEAST!

And yet the sheep are all still playing there. Just hilarious. "the games are just too good"

I stopped playing online poker years ago when it became blatantly obvious that there were superusers on most if not all sites. It doesn't need to be the site itself cheating, just one or more of their employees or IT people.

For many years I played live cash and tournaments six or seven days a week so I've had just about every bad beat possible when playing. But I've never seen the strange all-in calls on the river with J high or less like I do online. (I have made and seen river calls with A high and King high as bluff catchers on certain run outs when players are polarised, but it's different online, when suspicious players call 3 bets on every street, and then an all in on the river with J high (no flush or straight draws to justify their calls).

We've known since the Ultimate Bet and Absolute Poker scandal in 2007 that superuser accounts were possible, so why would anyone think it was just those two sites? It will have been happening for years, but most superusers are probably more careful not to draw too much attention to themselves so they lose just enough hands to deflect suspicion while still making a steady profit.

It's like every walk of life. If corruption is possible, it will happen.

Further to my last.

The superuser accounts on Absolute Poker and Ultimate Bet turned out to be connected to the sites. They were not hackers hacking into the site, They had access to create the several superuser accounts such as Potripper etc.

Thanks for mentioning and explaining this. Im sure noone here ever heard of it.

Chances are very high that the real reason why u stopped playing online was because u sucked at it. like most live players do when they go online. And usually they like to blame everything else but themself.

I think a couple foreign clownos bought this forum but it is mostly an an American site. We are aren’t typing in Portuguese.

But yeah online is dead

Oh have the special rocks that are frozen but don’t melt, hope that helps

This is obviously an in house GG poker Scam. A load of fake news released on the screen name Money Taker 69 to imply that the site was hacked over the obvious inside job. Details and information on what happened not released and no mention of even the possibility of more superusers. No offer of data so trusted people can run simple data analysis that will show up a superuser with zero doubt.. Also, collusion and Bots can not pass any simple data analysis. No one is hacking poker servers and making one super user account and then getting caught for ridiculous play by the players without the poker site knowing everything.. GG is show poker

When it comes to show poker its up to the cheater who they take from and everyone has zero chance. The pro has just a better chance of working it out

correct! FYI, nobody is claiming any server was hacked.

About 50% US/50% ROW.

Americans are clear majority if field is 50%

Think it’s fine for most posts to be as a default geared for Americans without dealing with the “Murica!” nonsense

GG is big in Brazil and China I guess, good for them, enjoy

His reply was already silly because the qualifier "at least in the USA" was already clarifying that the post was suggesting it was dead in the USA as opposed to the world.

Just clearing up any possible confusion about 2+2 traffic, as it's a common misperception that it's much more heavily weighted to the US, IE almost all Americans.

what are the breakdowns?

i don't know nothing about servers or hacking, i just know that this is the exact behavioural process of this type of crime to the level that GG are admitting it with 100% confidence. also with 100% confidence will be no defending of anything or details of anything related so you can not figure it out and benefit given by definition. Like OJ Simpson. Data can prove anything online a million times over mathematically but GG know to ride out the storm and leave it to the loyal pro's they sponsor that make it hard to attack as your only outlet.

There was a bug in their software that anyone who knew about it and had the software could exploit. Theoretically, it didn't have to be insiders.

It is almost certain there were other superusers. Maybe they are cleaning it up quietly and want to cover up how much cheating was going on?

Anyway, online poker is dead. That is, I can't beat it.

Bad dental issues can cause anger sometimes :shrug:

I don't know how much current ownership would want me to share, but it used to be Canada and the UK each at around 7-10%, and then a bunch of countries (mostly European) in the 1-3% range. A quick glance at last year suggests it's still similar.

Dead for sure, the online sites all did the same thing to ensure that happened

In real life when there is such an obvious "bug" in your software and you do not fix it the reason is you put it there deliberately.

The bug is in those running the poker site and another **** you explanation with zero even proof of anything. There is no tracking on GG so they can Superuser and run bots. Super Users on a online poker site is the craziest thing possible. Not one hand outside what the poker community tracked has been added by the site who should give all this data to the man who worked it out. A legit site would kissing his arse with lifetime free roles

This. Typically posting a request in a thread hoping a mod will see it will get you mixed results. No need to worry now, as I happened to see this one, so it's done. Removed the other posts that aren't needed now, and I might remove this one in a bit as well.

This seems pretty possible to me as well. The Ultimatebet scandal happened at a time where there was more of a synchronization of poker players and site support. Every big site had a dedicated thread on this forum where reps would come in and chat. There was well known poker players whom had made many connects with these sites. So when the scandal began to unravel it was easier to get inside information. For instance it became knowledge that Russ Hamilton was tied to at least a couple of these accounts before UB ever admitted to it. That could never have happened without knowing people with access to the backend data that were willing to look into these things for us. There’s nothing like that anymore so it’s never been easier to make an easy lie that substitutes lack of competence for admitting insiders were cheating.

Some questions to tickle your brain:

1) Where does the "Texas" in Texas Hold Em come from?
2) What other variabts of Poker are played online.
3) Where does the Omaha in Pot Limit Omaha come from?
4) Where are Two Plus Two books published in?
5) Where are the servers you are posting in?

Muricacentrism is a thing for sure, but Poker is their domain, not the right place to claim an American bias.

The truth is online poker in the US is banned, except in some states where it's a closed circuit.

Online poker is effectively underground or left to Rest of the World, which is a secondary market.

Live poker is where it's at. And that's good, at least get a little bit of exercise between home and the casino instead of focusing all of the exercise on your index finger.

Yes please.

I have big respects for an org to survive for this long, giants fall for one reason or the other, but the reputation of PokerStars is impollute. No small feat.