David had an obsession with standardized tests dating back to at least 1981 and his conversations with Alvarez. Not a sign of a mega IQ; neither was getting involved with a troubled 16yo girl and her dumbass, apparently at her wits end albeit also deserving of sympathy/empathy, mother.

He also had no influence on Brandi's tragic decision to take her own life, he influenced how poker was played more than anyone from 1980-2005, and he should've been in the HOF long ago-I'll choose to believe he truly didn't want to be in it, and would've been otherwise.

You very clearly have no clue what you're talking about

This is true.


I think you have your girls mixed up.

I agree with this. While his email to her was stupid, my understanding is that she was someone who suffered from extreme depression, and probably shouldn't of been playing poker. Mat Sklansky also recently heard from her boyfriend at that time who essentially, according to Mat, said the same thing.

This is accurate. He told me on several occasions that he had no interest in the poker hall of fame. Some of it had to do with unethical people, in his opinion, who were in it, and some people who just didn't play poker very well who didn't belong (again in his opinion).

You very clearly have no clue that by promulgating this nonsense you are not only insulting Brandi's memory by implying she could be swayed so strongly by some dime a dozen creepy old man type she'd been dealing with since 7th grade, but are also granting David powers that, on his very worst days, he secretly craved & lusted for, like Ephialtes wanting a uniform from Xerxes in 300.

I read this once too, can't remember where. I think Benny & Moss wanted NL2-7SD but Doyle, Slim & Corky convinced them the fish would prefer NLHE. Ironic because if you only have an hour to give the basics to an intelligent noob they'll have a much better chance in a WSOP event in the former than the latter imo, my experience somewhat supports that.

I don't recall ever hearing about it being spread in California-it was aka Kansas City Lowball-but that doesn't mean it never was obviously.

Badger v Barbara Enright, in the last known NL5CDH tournament. http://www.stevebadger.com/poker/tournaments/draw/

The email was a whole lot more than stupid. It was cruel, morally reprehensible, embarrassing and well also stupid. But I could think of a million more adjectives to add here.

A much older man sent a thinly veiled death threat and the suggestion of committing suicide to a you woman suffering extreme depression. Shortly after she killed herself.

Whether his letter had major influence on her decision to end her life we or her ex boyfriend for that matter cant know.

But to try to play this down as some innocent mistake that could have happened to the best of us is ridiculous.

Is that the worst accusation levied against Sklansky?

Sklansky's email to Brandi is indefensible, but can we finally put this topic to bed, and let them both rest their troubled souls in peace






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I was referring to Saura, i may have the facts wrong.

Easy mistake to make, there are just so many

Stupid huh? Everyone here who implies Mason/DS perhaps did something wrong must be an awful human being according to Mason, but someone who urges a depressed girl to kill herself is just plain "stupid". And the trophy for double standards goes too..... Mason

She probably shouldnt have been playing poker. But mostly because poker led her to meet a much older man who would present himself as her mentor but, knewing her weaknesses, still told her she should take her own life.

But you just keep downplaying it, like you always do, while judging those who dont

This 100%

Promulgating nonsense? I think you and Mason should maybe look in the mirror, or perhaps speak with a trained mental health professional and ask them what they think. You're just being callously indifferent and, to be specific, you said "he had no influence..."

Everyone has influence. These are choices we make when we interact with people. Do you think David Sklansky helped or hurt her? It was probably both (for obvious, disgusting reasons), but that's the thing...You can help without hurting

I have quite a bit of experience dealing with people who struggle with mental illness and to see what you two are trying to say is incredibly saddening. You act like Sklansky, along with the many incredibly cringe, disgusting, and creepy men who pretty much only interacted with her because she was hot "had absolutely no influence" on her? Are you two out of your ****ing minds? I'm sure the terminally online, fragile ego, toxic male incels loaded up on 2+2 did absolutely nothing to kill her self esteem. Nothing at all...

You do realize that, instead of encouraging someone to kill themselves, or implying a threat of paying thugs to throw acid on her face, that, you know, maybe David and some of these other men of her past could instead choose to do no harm, leave her alone (instead of sexually harassing and assaulting her endlessly), or make an effort to be solely a positive influence in her life? It's not that ****ing hard

I never knew her. And if I had met her, I guarantee that I would have had no interaction with her.

Also, you have no knowledge of conversations that I had with David over this and some other issues, especially at the end of his life where I have stated he wasn't of sound mind. Don't make assumptions about people you know nothing about.

Narcissist says what? What are you even talking about with assumptions? I didn't make any

You don't get it and I doubt you ever will at this point. The fact that you waltz in here talking like a lawyer speaks volumes about you

I'm not a lawyer. My degrees are in math, and people like me tend to speak in very precise ways. You obviously don't have a clue. Go insult someone else.

Mason,

I am going to say this to you because I completely understand that your autistic mind literally does not comprehend the human aspect of what is going on here.

Stop talking and responding. Just stop.

You are only digging the hole deeper. At best you are going to come off as a mild, clueless *******. At worst, you are going to look really bad. Really bad.

What David did to Brandi is horrible. There is no defending it. There is no use in trying to justify it through ignorance. Just stay quiet. There is nothing you can say that will help you.*** you are only going to make yourself look worse to the masses of people with an empathetic bone in their body.


*** other that admitting what David did was the worst part of cruel and you were too autistic to understand it at the time and you apologize for not recognizing it at the time, but I think that requires a lift you are unable to make.

Stop the autistic stuff. I understand exactly what David did and I had strong conversations with him about it. You have no clue as to what my discussions with him were.

I have already explained this to Mason numerous times, in as pedestrian and simplistic fashion as possible. For someone allegedly smart, he clearly cannot grasp this simple concept; the more you stir this pot, the more it's gonna stink.

But Mason's mind, for whatever reason, will not allow him to get it. So stir away he does.

You guys know Brandi's mother blames her stepmother's abusive email that morning for her suicide, along with her friend's failure to take her threats to kill herself over it seriously, right

She's been dead over 18 years, and the traffic here is under 1% of what it was then.

Sklansky died suffering from mental illness himself and estranged from his son. The NYT isn't going to unprint his obituary.

Mason is all but retired. He should've used a stronger word than "stupid" to describe David's email to Brandi, imo.

There's nothing to stir, nothing to stir it in, and nothing to stir it with.

I thought Ephialtes wanted it from Leonidas so he could #301.

He was wearing his father's uniform when he approached Leonidas. He had discarded it when he was in Xerxes tent.

So you speak in very precise ways huh?
Did you forget that when you said David emailing Brandi that she should kill herself was just stupid?
Because describing that as stupid instead of morally reprehensible, embarrassing, cruel and inhumane isnt that precise Mason.

When it comes to speaking precisely about an atrocious act You obviously dont have a clue.
And when it comes to showing any sign of humanity you certainly dont have a clue at all.

You love telling others they have no clue but you also say you speak very precise.
So enlighten us Mason, give us a clue. How did your discussions with David about Brandi, Saura or Sue go exactly?
And please be as precise as possible, just like you say you are

And if you dont want to share any details, stop the "you dont have a clue" shtick

Stop embarrassing yourself.

Oohh her mother thinks the stepmother is to blame??
In that case, telling a depressed girl she should kill herself is perfectly fine then. Thanks for clearing that up.

And wtf does the traffic drop has to do with any of it?

Are so many people in poker so ****ing obsessed with numbers than they cant think like a ****ing normal human being anymore?

You would think otherwise intelligent people would possess the wherewithal to understand how absurd they sound in the moment, or past moments, so as to recalibrate how they choose to say/think the things they say/think in the future...

...but in astonishingly tone deaf fashion, this is your response