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I've seen some posts get edited or deleted as well (not my own) and I dont really understand why.
They werent obscene or anything. And if they were banned because they are not related to the thread title you should just delete the last 4 pages all together.

Now the discussion isnt really a fair read because people are replying to posts that are edited or deleted afterwards and it doesnt read the same way now.

at one point it seemed the sklansky stuff was sort of being washed maybe because a lot of it was slanderous. so it seems they should be happy with the derail. i personally have a bot mod attached to me which deletes like half of my posts for no discernible reason and then i have to ask real life mods to waste time reinstating them.

Let’s face it, this whole site is a slow-moving sinking of the Titanic. Kudos to previous owners for seeing the truth and cashing out when they could.

I probably had a role is starting this hijack by saying Mason was never a top player or anything close to that. He may have been a grinder who has been busy with his business for the last 25 years. What he did with the publishing business and this forum is incredible, even if both are in bad shape now.

As far as low and mid stakes games before the poker boom, they were almost all limit poker. Most everything was no limit before the 1950s or so. However, the casinos and the fish liked limit. At no limit, you can get stacked really quickly if you don't know what you are doing. At limit, you can play really badly and fold way to little preflop and postflop and lose slowly with some winning sessions. So easy for tight grinders to beat the game just by playing solidly. You can sort of do similarly with low to mid stakes no limit now, but being a tight grinder was easier with limit poker.

I disagree with this, before the boom the games were nearly all limit but the good games were often stud as well a LHE, the variance in these games and the bankroll required are much higher than NLHE because your edge is so much smaller in Limit, the "downswings" last significantly longer if you layer being overly tight/scared and predictable on top of what is already a thin edge (especially in stud) the chances you'll you broke without a bankroll of thousands of big blinds becomes significant and almost no one at that time knew this (except people like mason and david) so super tight/scared players were always underrolled and going broke. All of the tightest players i remember from that time lived hand to mouth and eventually went out like "broomcorns uncle".

At higher stakes that may have been true. At low to mid stakes, you could just play solidly against people playing way too loose and beat the games fairly consistently.

Deuce, you've already shown you know nothing about the Golden Age of midstakes LHE, when the Mirage was the center of the poker universe, so why are you still lecturing about it, never mind giving history lessons about the 1950s and what the casino owners wanted to do when they opened the first poker rooms in Vegas

what???? this guy dent know about the inner workings of 1950s poker rooms????? damn, i assumed he was a centenarian over 100 years old so i was being kind.

I know what low to mid stakes games were like when I played them in the early 2000s. Games were mostly NL in the old old days, but almost all limit in the 1990s. I know that without being 100 yo.

In the old days games were mostly seven-card stud.

In the "Cincinnati Kid" they showed a high stakes game in the 1930s, which was NL 5 card stud. I think Wild Bill Hickock was playing NL 5 card draw when he was shot by a fish he had won money from. Doyle and Johnny Moss were playing NLHE in Texas in the 1950s.

I post things which are obviously true and get attacked ITT, like when the hijack started because I said Mason was never a top player.

The Cincinnati Kid.

Rounders shows players dealing the cards in NYC clubs in the mid '90s. Is that historically accurate

You were chastised for saying you didn't think Mason ever tried to beat medium stakes, nothing else.

the games used to all be 5 card stud


and in the future will be 5 card stud again

Going by memory, in the book Knights of the Green Cloth: The Saga of the Frontier Gamblers by Robert K. DeArment, which is a history of the gamblers of the Old West, the author talks about no-limit draw poker being played.

It's a wonderful book:
https://www.amazon.com/Knights-Green...s%2C191&sr=8-1

And in California they played limit Draw High & Lowball exclusively from the early '30s through the late '70s.

Here comes Mason to plug his book Winning Concepts in Draw and Lowball


During a roadtrip to the Commerce, I played in the old 30-60 lowball game shortly before it died. I had one notable hand.

Commerce 60-120 Draw Lowball: 3-betting a big one card draw

Limon your posts are treasure covered in gold.

I like the check behind. Might tilt him more.

I can't bide the bad mouthing of Broomcorn's Uncle. He was a legend back in the day. Belongs on Poker's Mount Rushmore imo.

This coming from a guy who thinks pman is a winner

Not to derail, but he's a huge winner at Life, likely much moreso than you.

is he or isnt he

in reply to original question

Sklansky was definitely a professional poker player at one time.

Exclusively? Some rooms had limit draw games; others had no-limit draw games. In the early '90s, I played no-limit lowball at the Cameo Club in Palo Alto and Artichoke Joe's in San Bruno. Other rooms in the Bay Area, like Garden City in San Jose and the Oaks in Emeryville, offered limit lowball games during this time. So whether the games were limit or no-limit was entirely room-dependent.

And nothing changed in the late '70s; it wasn't until 1987 that California card rooms were allowed to offer stud and flop games.