Well I wouldn't want to play poker for a living if I wasn't making huge amounts of money... I mean I'm sure I could 25 table the 20/180s, or 16 table .25/.50 nl, and make more than most jobs, but it still wouldn't do it for me.

When I say 4 ppl... I mean ppl like menlo, imper1um, randal, sctrojans, whoever-- ppl who put in huge volume and are just fantastic poker players. I'm sure there are more who do it, but I imagine that shannon is expecting huge results when it just isn't attainable for almost anybody playing the schedule that he is playing. I may be wrong about the last sentence thought.

[/quote]Step 1: Go deep into a few tournaments when you start out

Step 2: Over estimate your poker and money management capabilities

Step 3: Come to the realization that live tournament poker, after expenses and taxes, is almost impossible to come out ahead on (esp. since losses cannot be carry forward)

Step 4: Wake up to reality and start having a productive life and relasionships
sounds vaguely familiar apart from step4

This thread has just gotten stupid. I have followed Shannon for a while(both being from Alabama and having gone to UofA). However the fact is this isn't a big deal or worth our time. People burn out all the time and switch directions.

I want to go see Tool. How do I not hear about the good shows until it's to late to get tickets?

Also, everyone goes through the phase of "I hate poker, it's boring and stupid". You'll settle down and play more cash games (I'd suggest omaha games).

you are another know it all dumbass with 10k+ posts. maybe that gives you credibility in these forums but it dont mean squat to me. i said "most".....not "all". once again, another dweeb who cant read.

insults make up 60% of the threads in these pathetic posts. nothing you losers are going to say is going to rattle me. all you guys care about is how witty or what kind of approval you get from your loser know it all peers in here.

i never seen a bigger bunch of dishonorable know it alls in my life. you all get rakeback and what not and still cant beat the games. bunch of bonus mongers.

and salazarrrrrrr........f u 2.

Someone should tell Shannon that running the way he is wont do much for him.

If you want to lose weight, you want your heart rate in the zone for 20 mins at least, he'd be much better off cutting it back as much as needed to make sure he runs continuously for 20 mins, not including warm up and cool down.

I pretty much came to this conclusion as well reading his site and that blog post. He could be a great guy but that has nothing to do with anything. Online MTTs have lots of variance and it seems as though he ran hot and overestiamted his abilities. The fact that he has a condenscending tone towards 2p2'ers who post alot and spend lots of time actually trying to improve is what made it seem as though he isn't really made out for poker and just ran good.

And yes i'm open to being proved wrong, this is just the impression I got from browsing his site. For all I know he's played 2000 MTTs a month for a full 2 years straight and has a big sample size.. or has played hundreds of thousands of hands of cash.. but based on the tone of his blog, i'd assume he hasn't. Him deciding to just "dabble" in cash kinda came off as though he felt he'd just jump into some cash games and make back tourney losses and it was the same thing with no idea of how the cash games have toughened over the past year. Just my impression for someone who doesn't know him.

Damn donkament players

wow, another dummy. it never ceases to amaze me how much dumb there is in here.

lose weight through diet. you can get in the zone all you want but if you eat burger king all day, it isnt going to do anything for losing weight.

shannon needs a good exercise regimen and most importantly, a good diet regimen. you can get ripped without cardio. cardio is just another form of burning calories and strengthning the respiratory sytem...... thats all.

I think it makes you a much more fundamentally sound player and gives a better idea of reality. In tournaments since the variance is so huge, the reality is always being thrown off by a huge score here or a 6 month drought there. He just needs to learn cash.

Well I should have just read the whole thread first, looks like others pretty much typed what I would already.

Agree 100%

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I could never understand how Shannon did it when he was going to every tournament trying to win POY. I'm kind of surprised online is what burnt him out and not a year of constant traveling to playboring live MTTs and spending all his time in casinos.

And yeah +1 to the "shannon's a good guy not a douche" camp

Shorr is a classic example of learning through success; I have several friends who went down a similar path and are now broke or close to it. The guy was a breakeven SNG player for a very long time, went nuts in a few MTTs and all of a sudden he views himself as one of the best. A lot of others fit this mold.

A reputable source told me that he would play high stakes chinese poker and overlook straight flush royalties. He may be a nice guy and cool, but he has far too many leaks in his game/lifestyle to be complaining so adamantly. I have no sympathy for a guy who has run better than 99% of us and now thinks the games are unbeatable. Once he joins reality again I predict he'll take a different view.

yeah. stupid players winning money is terrible for the game. you truly understand pokar.

Among all the high stakes players, (especially the successful ones who had big scores) i can easily say that Shannon was among the nicest and most genuine. I think his decision to quit poker wouldnt be a terrible one if he can do it on a part time basis and have a full time job as well. That is the ideal mix. Good luck with ur decision Shannon, and really liked ur blog when it was updated on a consistent basis.

so we have high stakes players saying shannon was solid at 25/50, and donkNgoers/choo-chooers saying he just wasnt good. hmm

Why are you getting mad at him because he expresses how he feels at the time, exactly how you are doing now?

I bet if Shannon played 5-10 nl he would never struggle and would make 250k a year but for some reason that kind of money and success doesn't interest a lot of people. And when I say a lot of people I mean people who haven't gotten up to go to work at 6 am and do real work type of stuff.

Poker is about surviving, the name of the game is to stay in the game.

Pretty much anyone who has been playing for 5+ years.

I'm sure Daniel Negraneau is going next, he'll put on his blog how he's bored playing poker and would rather just play golf, the fact of the matter is he suck now and should quit poker too.

QFT. Luckily for Bakes though, he's just being modest, cause that guy is crushing lately and clearing puts in the work.

I disagree with Anskys post, i think you can make a very comfortable living at MTT's if you're a serious student, a grinder, and can handle the totally absurd variance.

As for those bashing Shannon, i met him just before he blew up in the poker world and 2 years later he seems like the same low key and down to earth guy. I applaud him for the honesty he shows in his blog post. GL dude.

Are you arguing hearsay about Shannon's Chinese Poker game, correlate to his actual poker skill?

agree with you there ansky except the part about menlo. he's above imperium and sctrojans and all the other pocketfives ranked guys. the dude is a [censored] prodigy or something and plays nowhere near the volume all the top ranked pocketfives dudes plays and still owns them all.

If actually true, which I believe it is, then yes. And not just skill, but discipline in life.

Why go off and play high stakes Chinese Poker (when you're obviously -EV in it) when there's plenty of good games available, then complain about how 'poker has changed' when you start to go on a downswing, get lazy, and overspend on other things in life?

He may be a nice guy, but it really grates on me when people who have won quite a few 7-8 figure coinflips in life start going off about how poker is unbeatable when they're just too stupid and lazy to master the game. If you ever see me win a WPT or WSOP event then hear me complain about how bad I run or how poker is unbeatable, then I would expect nothing less than getting flamed.

Engrish only, please.