I do understand that point; I simply do not believe that berating/mocking the "fish" ever produces this result. It's a stretch that sounds more like a shaky rationalization for defending his actions than anything else.

There's a reason why reg's don't like it when people berate the fish, or remind the fish of how much money they have lost. -EV

They still play eachother despite such beratement. Surely that's all the evidence you need?

There is a difference between a random fish who plays for fun with his work money, and someone whose employed by a poker site, considers himself a professional poker player, and who has an ego and reputation to defend. The random fish just wants to have a nice evenings entertainment, and so insulting him is -ev, as he'll start to think 'this is no fun' and go do something else with his time. The ego-driven professional poker player however, is going to continue playing poker regardless of what you say to him, because that's his job, and when you insult him, he'll take it personally, but his mode of getting back at you will be to try and take your money. To beat you. Not to run away with his tail between his legs. Because if he runs away then he's a coward, and is admitting that the person insulting him is right - he is a fish.

must not be any action if the thread's still on urin/gus spat
they both do their share of talking, if he said it about Guy than it would be really bad since he's nice and has no chance of winning

+1

Well, you depend on a good relationship. Z and Gus dont need a good relationship to make money off each other.

No, it's completely different. The salesperson needs a good relationship with a customer. Gus isnt a customer, Z doesnt need to convince Gus of a good product.

Goes for both sides and afaik Gus started it.

Again, the durrrr Guy analogy is way off, because Guy was a fish who played for fun, Gus doesnt play for fun, he plays for a living.

I don't understand what's so hard to understand that Urin may NOT think that berating Gus is +EV, but chooses to do it anyway?

If anything it probably is though.

Guy <<<<<< Gus.

Guy is\was an obvious fish playing for fun more than anything else. Gus is a pro and will never stop playing just because someone said that he's bad at poker, because obviously, he isn't. That's why he is a pro.

Gus is not Z's "client" by any means. U could say that about Durrrr\Guy, but not on this Z\Gus situation.

From what his friend Galfond claims Urin has a very jewlike approach to poker, and knowing Gus' character I think it's safe to assume that all of this is a calculated move to tilt a presumably weaker player into donking off more money to him.

by jewlike do u mean he only uses a kosher laptop? i wish people would think before they post.

I doubt Galfond used the term 'Jewlike' since he himself is Jewish. Beight Jewish though I can confidently say I wish I had the same approach to poker as Urindanger.

Life nits itt.

RaiseOnce on stars = Patrik Antonious?

Why do you think so?

Full Tilt Poker $200/$400 Pot Limit Omaha Hi $70 Ante - 5 players - View hand 290499
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James Akenhead (UTG): $10130.00
Gus Hansen (CO): $48793.00
OnTheRize (BTN): $16560.00
trex313 (SB): $18518.00
OMGClayAiken (BB): $41987.00
Pre Flop: ($950.00)
1 fold, Gus Hansen calls $400, OnTheRize calls $400, 1 fold, OMGClayAiken checks
Flop: ($1750.00) 5 Q 8 (3 players)
OMGClayAiken bets $1600, Gus Hansen calls $1600, OnTheRize raises to $8150, OMGClayAiken raises to $27800, Gus Hansen requests TIME, Gus Hansen raises to $48323 all in, OnTheRize calls $7940 all in, OMGClayAiken calls $13717 all in
Turn: ($100874.00) 9 (3 players - 3 are all in)
River: ($100874.00) J (3 players - 3 are all in)
Final Pot: $100874.00
Gus Hansen shows 3 A T 3 (a flush, Ace high)
OnTheRize shows 7 7 5 Q (two pair, Queens and Fives)
OMGClayAiken shows 3 2 Q 8 (two pair, Queens and Eights)
Gus Hansen wins $50854.00
Gus Hansen wins $50018.00
(Rake: $2.00)

Full Tilt Poker $200/$400 Pot Limit Omaha Hi $70 Ante - 5 players - View hand 290500
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OMGClayAiken (UTG): $20268.00
Gus Hansen (CO): $62149.50
OnTheRize (BTN): $11157.50
James Akenhead (SB): $23926.00
trex313 (BB): $22478.00
Pre Flop: ($950.00)
1 fold, Gus Hansen raises to $800, OnTheRize raises to $3350, 2 folds, Gus Hansen raises to $11000, OnTheRize raises to $11087.50 all in, Gus Hansen calls $87.50
Flop: ($23125.00) 2 9 T
Turn: ($23125.00) 9
River: ($23125.00) T
Final Pot: $23125.00
Gus Hansen shows A K 9 K (three of a kind, Nines)
OnTheRize shows K K Q 9 (three of a kind, Nines)
Gus Hansen wins $23123.00
(Rake: $2.00)

Full Tilt Poker $200/$400 Pot Limit Omaha Hi $70 Ante - 6 players - View hand 290506
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James Akenhead (UTG): $9110.00
Gus Hansen (MP): $113145.00
OnTheRize (CO): $17248.00
trex313 (BTN): $16596.00
John Juanda (SB): $19530.00
OMGClayAiken (BB): $36350.00
Pre Flop: ($1020.00)
1 fold, Gus Hansen raises to $1820, 1 fold, trex313 raises to $6480, 2 folds, Gus Hansen raises to $20460, trex313 calls $10046 all in
Flop: ($34072.00) J 3 6
Turn: ($34072.00) T
River: ($34072.00) 2
Final Pot: $34072.00
Gus Hansen shows A 2 J A (two pair, Jacks and Twos)
trex313 shows 9 K 8 K (a pair of Kings)
Gus Hansen wins $34069.00
(Rake: $3.00)

Full Tilt Poker $200/$400 Pot Limit Omaha Hi $70 Ante - 5 players - View hand 290518
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OMGClayAiken (UTG): $38054.00
Gus Hansen (CO): $71983.00
durrrr (BTN): $17850.00
James Akenhead (SB): $36366.00
trex313 (BB): $30888.00
Pre Flop: ($950.00)
OMGClayAiken calls $400, Gus Hansen calls $400, durrrr raises to $2550, 2 folds, OMGClayAiken calls $2150, Gus Hansen calls $2150
Flop: ($8600.00) 9 3 6 (3 players)
OMGClayAiken checks, Gus Hansen checks, durrrr bets $8600, OMGClayAiken folds, Gus Hansen raises to $34400, durrrr calls $6630 all in
Turn: ($39060.00) 7 (2 players - 1 is all in)
River: ($39060.00) K (2 players - 1 is all in)
Final Pot: $39060.00
Gus Hansen shows 5 2 2 3 (a flush, King high)
durrrr shows J 6 J A (a flush, Ace high)
durrrr wins $39058.00
(Rake: $2.00)

Full Tilt Poker $200/$400 Pot Limit Omaha Hi $70 Ante - 6 players - View hand 290543
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James Akenhead (BB): $20000.00
OMGClayAiken (UTG): $19786.00
Gus Hansen (MP): $24335.00
trex313 (CO): $12128.50
OnTheRize (BTN): $27228.00
durrrr (SB): $16508.00
Pre Flop: ($1020.00)
OMGClayAiken calls $400, 2 folds, OnTheRize raises to $2220, durrrr calls $2020, James Akenhead raises to $9700, 1 fold, OnTheRize calls $7480, durrrr calls $7480
Flop: ($29920.00) 2 9 A (3 players)
durrrr bets $6738 all in, James Akenhead raises to $10230 all in, OnTheRize folds
Turn: ($43396.00) 3 (2 players - 2 are all in)
River: ($43396.00) 5 (2 players - 2 are all in)
Final Pot: $43396.00
James Akenhead shows T Q 9 J (a pair of Nines)
durrrr shows A 9 J 8 (two pair, Aces and Nines)
durrrr wins $43393.00
(Rake: $3.00)

Full Tilt Poker $200/$400 Pot Limit Omaha Hi $70 Ante - 6 players - View hand 290544
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James Akenhead (SB): $3492.00
OMGClayAiken (BB): $19316.00
Gus Hansen (UTG): $24265.00
trex313 (MP): $12058.50
OnTheRize (CO): $17458.00
durrrr (BTN): $43393.00
Pre Flop: ($1020.00)
2 folds, OnTheRize raises to $1820, durrrr calls $1820, James Akenhead raises to $3422 all in, 1 fold, OnTheRize raises to $12906, durrrr raises to $42960, OnTheRize calls $4482 all in
Flop: ($39018.00) 6 Q 9
Turn: ($39018.00) 6
River: ($39018.00) 5
Final Pot: $39018.00
James Akenhead shows 9 K 4 A (two pair, Nines and Sixes)
OnTheRize shows Q 8 T 9 (two pair, Queens and Nines)
durrrr shows 6 8 A K (three of a kind, Sixes)
durrrr wins $27932.00
durrrr wins $11083.00
(Rake: $3.00)

Full Tilt Poker $200/$400 Pot Limit Omaha Hi $70 Ante - 5 players - View hand 290546
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OMGClayAiken (BTN): $43759.00
Gus Hansen (SB): $50559.50
durrrr (BB): $31244.50
James Akenhead (UTG): $33150.50
trex313 (CO): $56400.50
Pre Flop: ($950.00)
James Akenhead raises to $1200, 2 folds, Gus Hansen calls $1000, durrrr calls $800
Flop: ($3950.00) K 8 T (3 players)
Gus Hansen checks, durrrr checks, James Akenhead bets $3450, Gus Hansen calls $3450, durrrr folds
Turn: ($10850.00) A (2 players)
Gus Hansen requests TIME, Gus Hansen bets $10000, James Akenhead raises to $28430.50 all in, Gus Hansen calls $18430.50
River: ($67711.00) A (2 players - 1 is all in)
Final Pot: $67711.00
Gus Hansen shows A 4 K Q (a full house, Aces full of Kings)
James Akenhead shows 8 A K J (a full house, Aces full of Kings)
Gus Hansen wins $0.00
James Akenhead wins $0.00
(Rake: $67711.00)

Full Tilt Poker $200/$400 Pot Limit Omaha Hi $70 Ante - 6 players - View hand 290550
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James Akenhead (BB): $19320.00
OMGClayAiken (UTG): $18366.00
Gus Hansen (MP): $21912.00
trex313 (CO): $10908.50
OnTheRize (BTN): $24377.00
durrrr (SB): $65087.00
Pre Flop: ($1020.00)
2 folds, trex313 raises to $1200, 1 fold, durrrr raises to $4420, 1 fold, trex313 calls $3220
Flop: ($9660.00) J T 9 (2 players)
durrrr bets $9660, trex313 calls $6418.50 all in
Turn: ($22497.00) 7 (2 players - 1 is all in)
River: ($22497.00) T (2 players - 1 is all in)
Final Pot: $22497.00
trex313 shows 4 6 T 7 (a full house, Tens full of Sevens)
durrrr shows 6 A J K (two pair, Jacks and Tens)
trex313 wins $22494.00
(Rake: $3.00)

Full Tilt Poker $200/$400 Pot Limit Omaha Hi $70 Ante - 5 players - View hand 290558
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James Akenhead (BTN): $15055.00
Gus Hansen (SB): $49584.00
trex313 (BB): $19049.00
OnTheRize (UTG): $26385.00
durrrr (CO): $31588.50
Pre Flop: ($950.00)
OnTheRize calls $400, durrrr raises to $2150, James Akenhead calls $2150, 1 fold, trex313 raises to $9550, 1 fold, durrrr raises to $31518.50 all in, James Akenhead requests TIME, James Akenhead calls $12835 all in, trex313 calls $9429 all in
Flop: ($53893.00) 6 6 5
Turn: ($53893.00) J
River: ($53893.00) T
Final Pot: $53893.00
James Akenhead shows 9 T 7 T (a full house, Tens full of Sixes)
trex313 shows Q Q 9 8 (two pair, Queens and Sixes)
durrrr shows 5 K A K (two pair, Kings and Sixes)
durrrr wins $7988.00
James Akenhead wins $45903.00
(Rake: $2.00)

Full Tilt Poker $200/$400 Pot Limit Omaha Hi $70 Ante - 4 players - View hand 290559
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Gus Hansen (CO): $68117.50
durrrr (BTN): $17022.50
James Akenhead (SB): $29354.50
trex313 (BB): $57058.50
Pre Flop: ($880.00)
Gus Hansen calls $400, durrrr calls $400, James Akenhead calls $200, trex313 checks
Flop: ($1880.00) 4 2 9 (4 players)
James Akenhead checks, trex313 bets $1200, Gus Hansen calls $1200, durrrr folds, James Akenhead folds
Turn: ($4280.00) J (2 players)
trex313 bets $3200, Gus Hansen requests TIME, Gus Hansen calls $3200
River: ($10680.00) 8 (2 players)
trex313 checks, Gus Hansen bets $10680, trex313 calls $10680
Final Pot: $32040.00
Gus Hansen shows K 4 T Q (a straight, Queen high)
Gus Hansen wins $32038.00
(Rake: $2.00)

Why are they playing 200/400? And not the 300/600 tables? Is Gus short on cash or something?

Full Tilt Poker $200/$400 Pot Limit Omaha Hi $70 Ante - 5 players - View hand 290566
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James Akenhead (SB): $39993.00
OMGClayAiken (BB): $40194.00
trex313 (UTG): $14098.00
OnTheRize (CO): $30732.00
durrrr (BTN): $23093.50
Pre Flop: ($950.00)
trex313 raises to $1200, 1 fold, durrrr raises to $4550, James Akenhead calls $4350, 1 fold, trex313 raises to $14028 all in, durrrr raises to $23023.50 all in, James Akenhead calls $18473.50
Flop: ($60825.00) 6 K 5
Turn: ($60825.00) 7
River: ($60825.00) 8
Final Pot: $60825.00
James Akenhead shows A J T Q (Ace King high)
trex313 shows A J 7 J (a pair of Jacks)
durrrr shows K Q K T (three of a kind, Kings)
durrrr wins $17991.00
durrrr wins $42832.00
(Rake: $2.00)