He misclicked and now busted. Cashed for just under $2k lol. Fake now asking for 18 tables.

Poker Stars $100+$9 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t17500/t35000 Blinds + t4375 - 8 players
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YOU-MAD-BR0 (CO): t2916132 M = 33.33
GordonStr222 (BTN): t2476581 M = 28.30
uR.Sliver (SB): t623722 M = 7.13
SvZff (BB): t1037629 M = 11.86
Odd_Oddsen (UTG): t1407277 M = 16.08
Shenets (UTG+1): t807660 M = 9.23
Pultiney (MP1): t74851 M = 0.86
Tom 198 (MP2): t552833 M = 6.32

Pre Flop: (t87500)
Odd_Oddsen raises to t72450, 6 folds, SvZff calls t37450

Flop: (t197400) K A 2 (2 players)
SvZff checks, Odd_Oddsen bets t642000, SvZff raises to t960804 all in, Odd_Oddsen calls t318804, Odd_Oddsen says "FML"

Turn: (t2119008) 8 (2 players - 1 is all in)
Odd_Oddsen says "FML", Odd_Oddsen says "FML", Odd_Oddsen says "FML"

River: (t2119008) 4 (2 players - 1 is all in)
Odd_Oddsen says "FML", Odd_Oddsen says "FML", Odd_Oddsen says "FML"

Final Pot: t2119008
SvZff shows J A (a pair of Aces)
Odd_Oddsen shows Q T (high card Ace)
SvZff wins t2119008

Okay, so HSDB and PTR are wrong, and you're right. Because you kept track of all of the hands, yes?

How about Durrrr's allegation that Martonas was often Viktor playing on that account? Shall we add in the losses from that account as well?

At some point, you have to just stick to the data that is known, eschew speculation/anecdotal stories, and compare the results to other players using the same data set.

I've long maintained that he's very skilled, and is a winning player. I said it was a huge sample, because relative to the number of hands that others have played on PokerStars, it is. He's put in massive volume.

Cherry picking any particular number of hands as a stopping point to assess anything -- it should be self-evident -- is silly. The only reasonable thing to do it is look at the entire volume of hands, and profits/losses, and the associated winrate over the sample.

Lifetime on PokerStars: -$608,020 (618,006 hands)

That is a pretty decent sample size. The only game he's up overall on PokerStars is fixed limit Omaha hi/lo. He's down -$700K in 7-2 triple draw, and is break even or slightly losing at both PLO and NLHE.

I don't really see the point of this argument; there are any number of pros, including some who post in this thread, who are happy to give him HU action in both NLHE and PLO.

Obviously if he's worse in 6-max, they are wise to play him there instead if they feel their edge is larger. Instead he insists on silly restrictions for HU play, and turns away action from Kanu7 when he offers 4x instead of 3x pre flop.

Regardless, if your argument is that he is a great HU NLHE/PLO player, but is bad at everything else (relative to the competition), then it's a pretty huge leak that he doesn't stick to HU NLHE/PLO, no? A leak that a truly elite player would not have.

Which is what I stated before. He's very talented; but raw talent is only part of the equation for a truly elite player. Tilt control, bankroll management, lack of degeneracy, and game selection are huge parts of the puzzle that in my opinion need to be present for a player to have longevity in the game, and be considered the best in the world. You obviously disagree.

The best Stud/8 player in the world, who plays only games/formats he's not great at, is not an elite player imo. The same applies here.

What you think is "likely" is pretty irrelevant. Show me some stats. I also think it's a largely tangental and pointless argument to make (see my proceeding paragraphs). The rest of the argument can best be summarized by Phil Helmuth "If it wasn't for luck, I'd win them all!"

At what point does he put in enough hands for the results to be meaningful?

I mean, seriously. It's great you have a man-crush on the guy, but a dose of realism is called for.

Anyway, I've said my peace... we obviously disagree, and I don't see a point in continuing the discussion here. I'll keep enjoying railing Isildur1 and the action he generates, and you keep on cheerleading for him. Different strokes.

I'm off to bed.
Odd vs Fake at 10 tables, and Fake has two more going.

Hand #1
Poker Stars $50/$100 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 2 players
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FaKeOrReaL (BTN/SB): $13248.00
Odd_Oddsen (BB): $25100.00

Pre Flop: ($150.00)
FaKeOrReaL raises to $200, Odd_Oddsen raises to $600, FaKeOrReaL raises to $1800, Odd_Oddsen calls $1200

Flop: ($3600.00) 2 T 9 (2 players)
Odd_Oddsen checks, FaKeOrReaL bets $2100, Odd_Oddsen raises to $9898, FaKeOrReaL raises to $11448 all in, Odd_Oddsen calls $1550

Turn: ($26496.00) 7 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($26496.00) 7 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $26496.00
FaKeOrReaL shows J J A 8 (a flush, Ace high)
Odd_Oddsen shows T 9 Q K (two pair, Tens and Nines)
FaKeOrReaL wins $26494.00
(Rake: $2.00)



Hand #2
Poker Stars $50/$100 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 2 players
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Odd_Oddsen (BTN/SB): $26796.00
FaKeOrReaL (BB): $10700.00

Pre Flop: ($150.00)
Odd_Oddsen raises to $200, FaKeOrReaL raises to $600, Odd_Oddsen raises to $1800, FaKeOrReaL calls $1200

Flop: ($3600.00) Q 3 4 (2 players)
FaKeOrReaL checks, Odd_Oddsen bets $2300, FaKeOrReaL raises to $8900 all in, Odd_Oddsen calls $6600

Turn: ($21400.00) 9 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($21400.00) T (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $21400.00
Odd_Oddsen shows J A A 8 (a straight, Eight to Queen)
FaKeOrReaL shows 5 4 2 4 (three of a kind, Fours)
Odd_Oddsen wins $21398.00
(Rake: $2.00)

To sum up almost every isildur argument ITT:

-If you consider being 'good' at poker only as the quality of somebody's A game, then isildur is a world class player and probably one of the very best big bet HU players.

-If you consider being 'good' at poker as how much money the player can make (i.e you include tilt control, brm) then isildur is pretty good because he's (probably) still made more than most, but not world class.

Personally I'd classify 'good' as the first option and 'successful' as the second, but it doesn't matter because it's just semantics and nobody can ever prove their definition of 'good' is correct. It's come to a point where we all know Isildur is extremely tough to beat when he's on his A game. Decide whether that falls under your definition of 'good' or 'elite' or 'great', be happy with your opinion and then stfu because the argument's old and pointless.

^well said.

That's not what I'm saying at all. I've already explained that if you go by those sites he is not down that much, the reason is that HSDB didn't track the 25/50 sessions where PTR says he was up over $200k.
No, the reasonable thing to do is think more in terms of big blinds and try to remember that a few thousand hands at the highest stakes can completely skew even what looks like a large amount of hands. For a similar reason I think people still over-rate isildur at HU NL and under-rate him at HU PLO just because he ran extremely hot against Durrrr and terrible against Hastings at 500/1k.
He is up $30k in NL currently, not that it's significant, just like the PLO. I'm not going to repeat myself but it is a decent sample size if you measure in bbs, but it isn't in $. I mean he must have gone between winning and losing in cash about 20 times this year, that should tell you all you need to know.
Well that's absolute nonsense. There's barely anyone who plays him in HU PLO or NL and basically everyone who does are the players who play almost everyone else too. Can you name one player other than sauce who would play him at 100/200+ in both those games now? I can't think of any now jungleman and urnotindanger aren't playing so much.
You are arguing against something that I've never said. I'm not trying to claim he's a "truly elite player", which is a pretty meaningless term anyway since it depends completely on how you define it. I just think he is one of the absolute best HU players. He definitely wouldn't be the player I'd most want to stake and sure they're sensible to only play him in 6 max, the point is it's pretty clear that the top players do not believe there's much value in playing him HU, which backs up what I said and sure it would be a huge leak if he was only motivated to make as much money as possible but it's pretty obvious that's not the only reason he plays.
I have never even said he's one of the best all round players in the world but I would disagree with that. Many of the best players have some degen tendencies (Ivey and craps for one) and have often used poor bankroll management in the past. Negreanu is a high profile example of someone who took a lot of risks on his way up but there are countless examples. Hellmuth apparently won the main event with close to his last 10k. Source: Mason Malmuth http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...1&postcount=10 Even Galfond has said before that he started taking shots at 300/600 when he had less than $1m bankroll and was lucky that he ran well at the start. Honestly, if you think that you can't be a top player if you have degenerate tendencies then that's most of the biggest winners in poker gone already.
Well it's ironic you talking about pointless arguments. I wasn't actually making an argument there, just providing some background info and the stats are mostly based on PTR's tracking before they stopped. He was up over $1m at 25/50 HU PLO and up a few hundred k at 50/100 HU PLO but down $800k at 200/400 (all 6 max) and down another $800k at 25/50 6 max PLO. Since then he's lost even more at 200/400 3 handed but had some big winning sessions against eireabu etc.
There is no magic number but lets just say he would have to play a lot more at 200/400 than he has done currently and it's never going to be significant if he's up or down less than he's won or lost in a weekend before. The thing is by your logic if someone makes 500k at 25/50 and then loses 600k at 200/400 then they're a losing player, reality is that's very misleading and not a good way of looking at things. Poker players measure their winrates in bb/100 for a reason.
And I'm happy to provide that realism. Apologies to people who don't care about this and those are good points Smokey.

Yawn

meh quit now Harry, this guy is runnin' like Jeans

Poker Stars $50/$100 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 2 players
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FaKeOrReaL (BTN/SB): $14744.00
Odd_Oddsen (BB): $35479.00

Pre Flop: ($150.00)
FaKeOrReaL raises to $300, Odd_Oddsen raises to $900, FaKeOrReaL raises to $2700, Odd_Oddsen calls $1800

Flop: ($5400.00) 3 6 Q (2 players)
Odd_Oddsen bets $5398, FaKeOrReaL raises to $12044 all in, Odd_Oddsen calls $6646

Turn: ($29488.00) J (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($29488.00) 8 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $29488.00
FaKeOrReaL shows Q A K 3 (two pair, Queens and Threes)
Odd_Oddsen shows T 9 7 6 (a straight, Eight to Queen)
Odd_Oddsen wins $29486.00
(Rake: $2.00)

did not lol, but this was amusing considering the broader context.

Poker Stars $200/$400 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players - View hand 1889771
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Kanu7 (BB): $43991.00
patpatman (BTN/SB): $40000.00

Pre Flop: ($600.00)
patpatman raises to $800, Kanu7 calls $400

Flop: ($1600.00) J J 6 (2 players)
Kanu7 checks, patpatman bets $1118.60, Kanu7 calls $1118.60

Turn: ($3837.20) 5 (2 players)
Kanu7 checks, patpatman bets $2684.64, Kanu7 raises to $8800, patpatman calls $6115.36

River: ($21437.20) J (2 players)
Kanu7 bets $33272.40 all in, patpatman says "so sick", patpatman says "66", patpatman folds

Final Pot: $21437.20
Kanu7 wins $21435.20
(Rake: $2.00)

Kanu: Brutal

Kanu vs. patpatman three tables 200 400 nl

Poker Stars $200/$400 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players - View hand 1889772
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Kanu7 (BTN/SB): $54707.60
patpatman (BB): $40400.00

Pre Flop: ($600.00)
Kanu7 raises to $800, patpatman raises to $2900, Kanu7 calls $2100

Flop: ($5800.00) 2 T K (2 players)
patpatman bets $3362.84, Kanu7 calls $3362.84

Turn: ($12525.68) J (2 players)
patpatman checks, Kanu7 checks

River: ($12525.68) 4 (2 players)
patpatman bets $9800, Kanu7 raises to $48444.76 all in, patpatman folds

Final Pot: $32125.68
Kanu7 wins $32123.68
(Rake: $2.00)

Poker Stars $200/$400 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players - View hand 1889773
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Kanu7 (BTN/SB): $70968.44
patpatman (BB): $40000.00

Pre Flop: ($600.00)
Kanu7 raises to $800, patpatman raises to $2900, Kanu7 raises to $6400, patpatman calls $3500

Flop: ($12800.00) 8 9 Q (2 players)
patpatman checks, Kanu7 bets $4800, patpatman calls $4800

Turn: ($22400.00) T (2 players)
patpatman checks, Kanu7 checks

River: ($22400.00) 6 (2 players)
patpatman checks, Kanu7 checks

Final Pot: $22400.00
Kanu7 shows K K (a pair of Kings)
patpatman shows K Q (a pair of Queens)
Kanu7 wins $22398.00
(Rake: $2.00)

Apologize for the small pots, thought they were playing 100 200.

They look like pretty decent pots to me!

Quite the day for Odd_Oddsen. From grinding midstakes to playing 12 tables at high stakes heads up and crushing.

Last 24 hours.

Odd_Oddsen Online 9981 hands +$216,433

FaKeOrReaL Online 11152 hands -$249,034

i wanna be isildur, so ****ing bad. buy all the things I've never had.

everytime I close my eyes, I see isildur in shining lights. A different opponent every night, ooo yeah, I swear, the world better prepare.

Oh yes, they are huge amounts of money, just meant normally only 100bb+ pots are posted.

Poker Stars $200/$400 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players - View hand 1889775
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patpatman (BB): $57290.04
Kanu7 (BTN/SB): $50737.80

Pre Flop: ($600.00)
Kanu7 raises to $800, patpatman raises to $2900, Kanu7 calls $2100

Flop: ($5800.00) 3 3 2 (2 players)
patpatman bets $3362.84, Kanu7 calls $3362.84

Turn: ($12525.68) T (2 players)
patpatman bets $8766.57, Kanu7 calls $8766.57

River: ($30058.82) K (2 players)
patpatman bets $42260.63 all in, Kanu7 calls $35708.39 all in

Final Pot: $101475.60
patpatman shows J J (two pair, Jacks and Threes)
Kanu7 shows 3 A (three of a kind, Threes)
Kanu7 wins $101473.60
(Rake: $2.00)

patpatman tops up each table to 100k like a boss.

Few random hands from the 12 table heads up marathon.


Poker Stars $50/$100 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 2 players - View hand 1889776
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Odd_Oddsen (BTN/SB): $28346.00
FaKeOrReaL (BB): $23008.00

Pre Flop: ($150.00)
Odd_Oddsen raises to $200, FaKeOrReaL raises to $500, Odd_Oddsen raises to $1500, FaKeOrReaL calls $1000

Flop: ($3000.00) 5 2 T (2 players)
FaKeOrReaL checks, Odd_Oddsen bets $2050, FaKeOrReaL raises to $6000, Odd_Oddsen calls $3950

Turn: ($15000.00) 3 (2 players)
FaKeOrReaL bets $14998, Odd_Oddsen folds

Final Pot: $15000.00
FaKeOrReaL wins $14998.00
(Rake: $2.00)


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Poker Stars $50/$100 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 2 players - View hand 1889778
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Odd_Oddsen (BB): $43629.00
FaKeOrReaL (BTN/SB): $7147.00

Pre Flop: ($150.00)
FaKeOrReaL raises to $300, Odd_Oddsen calls $200

Flop: ($600.00) 2 5 J (2 players)
Odd_Oddsen checks, FaKeOrReaL bets $400, Odd_Oddsen raises to $1400, FaKeOrReaL calls $1000

Turn: ($3400.00) 7 (2 players)
Odd_Oddsen bets $1100, FaKeOrReaL raises to $2200, Odd_Oddsen calls $1100

River: ($7800.00) T (2 players)
Odd_Oddsen checks, FaKeOrReaL bets $3247 all in, Odd_Oddsen calls $3247

Final Pot: $14294.00
Odd_Oddsen shows T 5 J K (two pair, Jacks and Tens)
FaKeOrReaL shows A K 3 6 (a flush, Seven high)
FaKeOrReaL wins $14292.00
(Rake: $2.00)


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Poker Stars $50/$100 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 2 players - View hand 1889779
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FaKeOrReaL (BB): $36374.00
Odd_Oddsen (BTN/SB): $25000.00

Pre Flop: ($150.00)
Odd_Oddsen raises to $200, FaKeOrReaL raises to $600, Odd_Oddsen calls $400

Flop: ($1200.00) K K Q (2 players)
FaKeOrReaL bets $700, Odd_Oddsen calls $700

Turn: ($2600.00) 8 (2 players)
FaKeOrReaL bets $1800, Odd_Oddsen raises to $6400, FaKeOrReaL raises to $11500, Odd_Oddsen raises to $16600, FaKeOrReaL raises to $21700, Odd_Oddsen raises to $23700 all in, FaKeOrReaL calls $2000

River: ($50000.00) 2 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $50000.00
FaKeOrReaL shows Q K 4 J (a full house, Kings full of Queens)
Odd_Oddsen shows 7 Q K 9 (a full house, Kings full of Queens)
FaKeOrReaL wins $24999.00
Odd_Oddsen wins $24999.00
(Rake: $2.00)


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Poker Stars $50/$100 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 2 players - View hand 1889780
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Odd_Oddsen (BTN/SB): $25396.00
FaKeOrReaL (BB): $12250.00

Pre Flop: ($150.00)
Odd_Oddsen raises to $200, FaKeOrReaL raises to $600, Odd_Oddsen raises to $1800, FaKeOrReaL raises to $5400, Odd_Oddsen raises to $16200, FaKeOrReaL calls $6850 all in

Flop: ($24500.00) K 8 A (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: ($24500.00) 2 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($24500.00) J (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $24500.00
Odd_Oddsen shows Q J Q A (two pair, Aces and Jacks)
FaKeOrReaL shows K A K T (three of a kind, Kings)
FaKeOrReaL wins $24498.00
(Rake: $2.00)

Poker Stars $200/$400 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players - View hand 1889781
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Kanu7 (BTN/SB): $83825.84
patpatman (BB): $102598.00

Pre Flop: ($600.00)
Kanu7 raises to $800, patpatman raises to $2900, Kanu7 raises to $6800, patpatman raises to $11800, Kanu7 calls $5000

Flop: ($23600.00) 4 3 J (2 players)
patpatman bets $13686.84, Kanu7 calls $13686.84

Turn: ($50973.68) Q (2 players)
patpatman checks, Kanu7 checks

River: ($50973.68) 2 (2 players)
patpatman bets $77111.16 all in, Kanu7 folds

Final Pot: $50973.68
patpatman wins $50971.68
(Rake: $2.00)

aces vs kings, props to kanu for not just clicking call and finding a fold.

Poker Stars $50/$100 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 2 players - View hand 1889782
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Odd_Oddsen (BTN/SB): $37828.00
FaKeOrReaL (BB): $12938.00

Pre Flop: ($150.00)
Odd_Oddsen raises to $200, FaKeOrReaL raises to $600, Odd_Oddsen raises to $1800, FaKeOrReaL calls $1200

Flop: ($3600.00) T 7 5 (2 players)
FaKeOrReaL checks, Odd_Oddsen bets $3598, FaKeOrReaL raises to $11138 all in, Odd_Oddsen calls $7540

Turn: ($25876.00) T (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($25876.00) J (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $25876.00
Odd_Oddsen shows A 9 A 8 (a straight, Seven to Jack)
FaKeOrReaL shows 4 6 T 7 (a full house, Tens full of Sevens)
FaKeOrReaL wins $25874.00
(Rake: $2.00)

Poker Stars $50/$100 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 2 players - View hand 1889783
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Odd_Oddsen (BTN/SB): $38076.00
FaKeOrReaL (BB): $10239.00

Pre Flop: ($150.00)
Odd_Oddsen raises to $200, FaKeOrReaL raises to $600, Odd_Oddsen calls $400

Flop: ($1200.00) 7 K T (2 players)
FaKeOrReaL bets $700, Odd_Oddsen calls $700

Turn: ($2600.00) A (2 players)
FaKeOrReaL checks, Odd_Oddsen bets $1900, FaKeOrReaL calls $1900

River: ($6400.00) 7 (2 players)
FaKeOrReaL bets $5200, Odd_Oddsen calls $5200

Final Pot: $16800.00
FaKeOrReaL shows K K 8 3 (a full house, Kings full of Sevens)
FaKeOrReaL wins $16798.00
(Rake: $2.00)

Poker Stars $200/$400 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players - View hand 1889784
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Kanu7 (BTN/SB): $58539.00
patpatman (BB): $127882.84

Pre Flop: ($600.00)
Kanu7 raises to $800, patpatman calls $400

Flop: ($1600.00) 2 5 T (2 players)
patpatman checks, Kanu7 checks

Turn: ($1600.00) 6 (2 players)
patpatman checks, Kanu7 bets $1000, patpatman raises to $5600, Kanu7 calls $4600

River: ($12800.00) K (2 players)
patpatman bets $10600, Kanu7 raises to $52139 all in, patpatman folds

Final Pot: $34000.00
Kanu7 wins $33998.00
(Rake: $2.00)