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09-09-2015 , 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by bikram
I called Steve Kogan and left a voicemail with some information I had and did not hear back from him.
Glad you did. I never got a response to my email to him. Hopefully that doesn't mean that he isn't investigating.
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09-09-2015 , 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by The4thFilm
Why are the TDA rules focused on first card/last card off the deck, seeing mucked cards, who has to show first bull**** minutiae when TDs are robbing daily tournaments blind all across the country?
Um, you forgot to mention, "Checking back the nuts is bad, checking back the SECOND nuts is fine."

I am shocked, SHOCKED, to find hubris, collusion, and greed in the back room where they chop up the rake.
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09-10-2015 , 12:08 AM
I shared this thread with my gf's cousin who had a "strange" experience at HP like 3 weeks ago. He was playing one of their weekly MTTs and hit a high hand during the final table. He claims to have gotten the HH with only a few mins left. When the HH finished, he was not approached with the pay out. Being in the FT, he did not get up and go talk to the floor. Instead, he just waited till he busted. When he did, he went to claim his HH. They had him wait while different people were looking into. After he gets paid for the MTT, they tell him, "Sorry but someone beat your HH with a few seconds left." He had never been there before and of course calls me to complain about the incident. I told him they stole it, knowing the type of scam they're running there. Oh well
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09-10-2015 , 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerPulse_IG
I shared this thread with my gf's cousin who had a "strange" experience at HP like 3 weeks ago. He was playing one of their weekly MTTs and hit a high hand during the final table. He claims to have gotten the HH with only a few mins left. When the HH finished, he was not approached with the pay out. Being in the FT, he did not get up and go talk to the floor. Instead, he just waited till he busted. When he did, he went to claim his HH. They had him wait while different people were looking into. After he gets paid for the MTT, they tell him, "Sorry but someone beat your HH with a few seconds left." He had never been there before and of course calls me to complain about the incident. I told him they stole it, knowing the type of scam they're running there. Oh well
You spent a lot of effort typing this out here. Did you spend any effort reporting this to the DPMW, or telling your friend to do so?
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09-11-2015 , 03:08 PM
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/business...911-story.html

Hialeah poker tournament under investigation

Last edited by Mike Haven; 09-12-2015 at 01:38 PM.
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09-11-2015 , 04:52 PM
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09-12-2015 , 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Not Real
I played a cash game in the room tonight and it appears that they are taking this issue seriously.

Something bad may have happened. Or not, but please be careful throwing around accusations without facts. Bob did an excellent write-up except several of his accusations were based on guesses and rumors, not facts.

I'd hate to see major changes caused by accusation and innuendo from visiting players when many of the everyday regulars are happy with the way things currently operate.

Things I know:
  • Daniel Sierra is a very good floorman (I know nothing of his ability as a td). You can stop by anytime and speak with him. The same goes for the rest of the floor staff.
  • Hialeah Park is the nicest and most well run room south of the Isle. Their staff is far above average for South Florida.
  • Many of us play there 120+ hours per month and are quite content with how the room is run.
  • All South Florida poker rooms have their idiosyncrasies and Hialeah is no different. Tonight a player was complaining that Spanish and English were being spoken during a hand because where he normally plays only Hebrew and English are spoken during the hand. At either room you can just say "Hey, English?" and everyone is sincerely apologetic and switches to English.
I hope Bob and PokerXanadu ferret out any untoward dealings, but please be careful to limit the collateral damage. It would be a shame if people who don't play at Hialeah insist on wrecking a room that the people who do play there enjoy.

Perhaps nothing bad actually happened?

Either way stop by, meet some of the regulars, and have some great coffee.

You might grow to appreciate the way the room is run.
Where you at dude? Running away now?
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09-13-2015 , 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by bikram
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/business...911-story.html

Hialeah poker tournament under investigation
My god at the amount of advertisements in that link
Couldn't even read it on my tablet

If someone wants to copy and paste the text that would be great
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09-13-2015 , 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by THAKID
My god at the amount of advertisements in that link
Couldn't even read it on my tablet

If someone wants to copy and paste the text that would be great
lol worthless link on my real computer
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09-13-2015 , 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by THAKID
Couldn't even read it on my tablet
It's just boilerplate:

The state is investigating Hialeah Park after the racetrack casino hosted its biggest poker tournament ever. The event was a $250 buy-in tournament Aug. 25-30 with $200,000 in guaranteed prize money.

Players complained that the number of entrants shown on the tournament update board didn't jibe with the amount of money paid out, nor with the number of chips in play for the entire event. Players received 15,000 chips to start, an additional 5,000 chips if they paid $20 toward a dealers' tip pool and 8,000 more for $20 a few hours into the tournament.

"The Division of Pari-Mutuel Wagering is aware of the potential issue with a Hialeah Poker tournament and is gathering information," the Florida Department of Business and Professional Regulation said in an email. The email noted that the department would not explain how the state was notified or provide other details until the investigation is completed.

Poker players contacted the Sun-Sentinel immediately after the tournament and posted detailed complaints and accusations on poker web sites about the tournament, but none said they filed anything formally with the state.

Hialeah Park issued the following statement: "Hialeah Park Management became aware of the alleged incident through social media. An internal investigation of the matter found no evidence of any discrepancies in the manner in which the poker tournament was conducted nor any wrongdoing on the part of any of the poker staff."

Hialeah officials declined further comment.


That's why you got all the ads; they figured those were actually more informative.
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09-13-2015 , 11:58 AM
Meh actually was informative

-The state is aware and conducting an investigation

-Hialeah park management did an internal investigation and found no wrong doing
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09-13-2015 , 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerPulse_IG
I shared this thread with my gf's cousin who had a "strange" experience at HP like 3 weeks ago. He was playing one of their weekly MTTs and hit a high hand during the final table. He claims to have gotten the HH with only a few mins left. When the HH finished, he was not approached with the pay out. Being in the FT, he did not get up and go talk to the floor. Instead, he just waited till he busted. When he did, he went to claim his HH. They had him wait while different people were looking into. After he gets paid for the MTT, they tell him, "Sorry but someone beat your HH with a few seconds left." He had never been there before and of course calls me to complain about the incident. I told him they stole it, knowing the type of scam they're running there. Oh well
In the Florida poker rooms I play in MTTs can't qualify for High Hand promos because they are not paying the jackpot rake.
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09-13-2015 , 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by IPlayNLHE
In the Florida poker rooms I play in MTTs can't qualify for High Hand promos because they are not paying the jackpot rake.
Some rooms run a separate jackpot for tournament play. I have noticed this opens the door to shenanigans, with the management manipulating the drop, so that some tournaments are freerolling on the jackpot, to some extent. The same could be true with high hand bonuses.
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09-13-2015 , 04:43 PM
I don't see anything happen except management will probably change the way they run tournaments. Did the managers probably skim some money off from rebuys and addons probably. But its not like they are gonna find out how much unless they got security cameras all over the place. It doesn't even look like they kept very detailed paperwork of everything.
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09-13-2015 , 07:13 PM
There have to be some dealers or other staff there willing to talk with the state investigators about what really goes on there if their privacy and anonymity are assured. If I were running the investigation, I would require that every licensed employee come to a private interview at some offsite location. That way if some of them talk, the room management will never know who did.
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09-13-2015 , 07:56 PM
I love how there are all these supposed regulatory agencies who are supposed to be the watchdogs on issues like this...... yet they never seem to
1)catch wrong doing
2)punish wrong doing
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09-13-2015 , 09:13 PM
Visited this room once.

Came to play 5/10 plo. Patiently waited for 45 minutes until my name got called (I was the only name on the list.) Sat down with chips in hand and just as I was unracking I got tapped on the shoulder by the floor man who politely informed me that I got called by mistake and my seat isn't ready yet. I was asked to stand by.

It was puzzling to say the least since there wasn't anyone else there to claim the seat. I figure that maybe there was a call-in who didn't get put on the list and is about to arrive.

Whole 35 minutes go by before a man walks through the door, gets warmly greeted by all the staff and gets seated in my place! This whole time the seat remained empty.

I don't mind some forms of favoritism towards the regs, but this was too disgusting to bear. I left without playing a hand.

If what I'm reading here is true then it's a really big deal. Casino employees have been imprisoned for much, much lesser offenses. This is a good opportunity for the people in charge to show that Florida has zero tolerance policy towards the scumbags that give Florida poker a bad name and cost the industry millions of dollars in lost revenue.

You guys finally have a good thing going that makes me want to visit your state again and again (read: spend money.) Protect it with your lives, because there are plenty of good rooms to choose from these days and once you get labeled as a "good-old-boy club that can get away with murder" you won't see any of that money again.

We as a poker community will be watching closely how this gets dealt with. Make an example of the offenders now or be sorry later.
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09-14-2015 , 03:45 AM
Mist of the dealers at Hialeah Park came from Magic city. Magic was my home away from home for many years. From my time playing there, I created friendships with many dealers. That extended to social media like facebook and Instagram. When this scandal broke, all those "friends" banded together and anyone with an opinion or concern quickly became a "hater, idiot, **** talker with nothing better to do," myself included since I had voiced my opinion. I quickly realized that we are overestimating the willingness of these employees to come forth with any valueable info. Those involved will have their lips tightly sealed. I want justice, if not for past wrong doings than to avoid future ones. Sad how such a great location with such a wonderful room is ruined by greed. If the management really did being in $8.3M last year, then money will talk and we will see nothing change. Maybe a slap on the wrists.
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09-14-2015 , 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by NoControl
I got tapped on the shoulder by the floor man who politely informed me that I got called by mistake... Whole 35 minutes go by before a man walks through the door, gets warmly greeted by all the staff and gets seated in my place!
The world is full of people who wouldn't be alive if murder was legal.
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09-14-2015 , 09:58 AM
Length is misspelled.

They committed at least one apostrophe sin.

Mr. Sierra doesn't know the difference between "your" and "you're".

Why would anyone ever set foot into such a dump?

But those who did have no case, because it is clearly stated in the tournament flyer that all decisions made by the poker supervisors are final and unquestionable. Players who cashed should feel fortunate that the casino paid out anything at all instead of keeping everybody's $250.
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09-14-2015 , 11:11 AM
It's theft. It's a criminal offence and the police should be involved (if they aren't too busy beating someone).
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09-17-2015 , 01:58 AM
Hello all haven't been able to post in a few days because I was out of town playing in the WPT DEEPSTACK Immokalee series out on the west coast of Florida. The Hialeah Park Casino Poker Staff are all thieves and should be held responsible for their actions. They got caught red handed by a group of experienced Poker tournament players who played in this $200,000 guarantee weeks ago. The regular tournament players whom play there on a daily basis are basically low knowledge, dumb blinded mice who don't know any better than to accept what the management puts on the tournament board at the end of all the rebuy , addon nonsense that goes on there. Its Hialeah people, a bunch of sacm artists running a poker room. The Poker Room manager operates a dealer school, has been linked to illegal private games, and has been known to charge dealers $$$$$$$$ in return for a position at the Poker Room. The state is just as guilty as there are if this goes by unpunished. Don't give us that bull crap Hialeah Park , that your investigation came back 100% accurate. Your team of upper management must also be involved in someway.
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09-17-2015 , 03:34 AM
so what ever happened to the crook running the wsop circuit events ?
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09-17-2015 , 09:46 AM
Heres the problem. Even if the state does have an investigation, how much do they know about poker? How much knowledge do they have about how things are supposed to be run? What is the poker knowledge of the people running the investigation? Some might think that it's just a game and it can't be hard to investigate. But if someone that doesn't have knowledge of the game is trying to investigate a poker room, they could easily overlook things and it might seem to them like everything is ok. Unless you have a good understanding of exactly how things should be, they will just be investigating whatever the managers want them to investigate. It would be like any regular person at a murder scene trying to carry out an investigation on who the murderer was, we just wouldn't know where to start, things to look for, tendencies, clues, and things of that nature (murder might be a bit much). The investigators need to be knowledgable in the manner in which poker operations should be run on a day to day basis.
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09-17-2015 , 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerVet
Heres the problem. Even if the state does have an investigation, how much do they know about poker? How much knowledge do they have about how things are supposed to be run? What is the poker knowledge of the people running the investigation? Some might think that it's just a game and it can't be hard to investigate. But if someone that doesn't have knowledge of the game is trying to investigate a poker room, they could easily overlook things and it might seem to them like everything is ok. Unless you have a good understanding of exactly how things should be, they will just be investigating whatever the managers want them to investigate. The investigators need to be knowledgable in the manner in which poker operations should be run on a day to day basis.

Paging Allen Kessler.

Unless the trolls had finally gotten to him he'd be happy to assist with the investigation.
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