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Robbi's wild call with J4 vs Garrett Adelstein on Hustler Live Robbi's wild call with J4 vs Garrett Adelstein on Hustler Live
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View Poll Results: Was cheating involved?
Yes
395 45.04%
No
482 54.96%

10-03-2022 , 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by dappadan777
Why is it being touted that she's very new to the game and playing only since last year?
Because that is what Coach Jaka had said.
10-03-2022 , 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Couchsock

What is your huge beef with people investigating this matter? If she’s innocent she’ll be proven innocent. Hell if she’s guilty she’ll probably still be labeled innocent for several legal reasons
Not who this was directed at, but my thoughts regarding an "investigation"...

Aside from the casino and stream organizers, nobody else is investigating anything - most people are speculating recklessly. There's a big difference.

What we have is a bunch of tinfoil hat low-level discussion on social media or forums, and then some poker influencers monetizing this whole situation for personal gain.

This is now sadly entertainment for most people following the story, who are likely hoping for drama, and their views are possibly biased as a result.
10-03-2022 , 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by dude45
Does anyone buy Robbi's explanation the the bulge on the side of her pants leg is her Hip ?
Lol what. She should seriously consider seeing a doctor to have that surgically removed.
10-03-2022 , 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Defarse
Because that is what Coach Jaka had said.
Faraz running diversions, trying to say she never played before she got married and changed her last name. Makes me think the Toilet is an accomplice.

Another poster brought this to light but knowing Robbi and Faraz are both Arab, + we got Gman who is Jewish, it’s the continuance of a war between the two religions that’s lasted 1000s of years.
10-03-2022 , 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by dude45
haven't watched yet but did anything come from Berkey's hand investigation ?

Does anyone buy Robbi's explanation the the bulgs on the side of her pants leg is her Hip ?

any explanation for the dude in the white shirt that set up the stream. Dude looked very shady and was doing something with the deck before the started

Starts around the 4:04:40 mark

Berkey is so far down the rabbit hole it's scary.
10-03-2022 , 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by soapdodger
Berkey is so far down the rabbit hole it's scary.
Berkey gonna be Berkey
10-03-2022 , 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by SetTheLine
Faraz running diversions, trying to say she never played before she got married and changed her last name. Makes me think the Toilet is an accomplice.

Another poster brought this to light but knowing Robbi and Faraz are both Arab, + we got Gman who is Jewish, it’s the continuance of a war between the two religions that’s lasted 1000s of years.
I always love when a thread turns so wild that you can't tell when someone is using sarcasm .
10-03-2022 , 09:47 AM
Hollywood usually writes a good script
10-03-2022 , 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Eskaborr
Honestly if anything dodgey happened the most likely thing is she saw Andy Stacks cards. Would explain a bunch. He had T6 board was TT93.

1. This isn't a gto range, I tried to make a range of something she might be assuming if she thinks the T is dead
2. Shes not getting the right price even now, but I could be convinced he has less value than even this.

This coupled with thinking hes bluffing, yes I only put two combos of at(corrected next few posts), maybe with a read he has even less and not as much 99/33. Taking out a fair amount of 99 and 33 isn't a stretch because he might just call with this action, AT is the most likely value hand that makes sense for this overbet shove so blocking the T is the most efficient card. 6s actually helps vs semi bluffs too.


I believe this would also explain how she acted afterwards, even the giving of the money back/nervousness/unable to clarify why she did what she did/acting off/story changing.

She could have even asked "can you beat a 3" because 33 is a legitimate concern, and may have been trying to get a read on him since shes discounting tx heavily.

I am NOT saying she did, but it makes more sense than a vibrating chair, ground breaking rfid tech, compromised shuffle machine, and inside man and oops we got it all in with jack high when we know every run out/everyones cards.

Not sure how lowest tech option wasn't talked about first.
This is very good….I had been thinking maybe she saw Garrett getting a low club during the pitch, but knowing a Ten was dead would make sense too.
10-03-2022 , 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by pokerfan655
If she's cheating why is she putting money in behind in the hand on the flop? What idiot would do this? Isn't the point of cheating to make money? She's 34% on the flop - how idiotic to think she sees his cards and just burns money continuing in the hand. Secondly lets see all the other hands of her cheating - if she is calling down this hand she is basically calling down every single hand - surely there would be plenty of examples. I'll wait.

Grunching..J4 is actually a favorite on the turn..if you don’t factor in that a Jack and a 4 was folded pre Flop1…not sure if anyone mentioned that

I would feel comfortable seeing a turn card if I knew my opponent’s hand..especially if the motive is to own Garrett Adelstein on a livestream…


/edit

1 nobody folded a club. It’s not like the cheaters have the updated Hustler Live(TM) actual hand odds

Last edited by ReliableSource; 10-03-2022 at 09:57 AM.
10-03-2022 , 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by ededlle
Not who this was directed at, but my thoughts regarding an "investigation"...

Aside from the casino and stream organizers, nobody else is investigating anything - most people are speculating recklessly. There's a big difference.

What we have is a bunch of tinfoil hat low-level discussion on social media or forums, and then some poker influencers monetizing this whole situation for personal gain.

This is now sadly entertainment for most people following the story, who are likely hoping for drama, and their views are possibly biased as a result.
Keeping in mind, as there was no 'crime scene' established the horse (pardon the pun) has bolted. The 'investigation' will establish how secure the casino/livestream is and put in place protocols to prevent any possibility of cheating in the future.
10-03-2022 , 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Zorlac
Keeping in mind, as there was no 'crime scene' established the horse (pardon the pun) has bolted. The 'investigation' will establish how secure the casino/livestream is and put in place protocols to prevent any possibility of cheating in the future.
Exactly. The investigation is a PR exercise and nothing more.

If Robbi hasn't been found guilty of using a device / assistance by now then they're not going to find anything new.

The only question which remains is whether Garrett returns the money and if he's going to be welcomed back with open arms.
10-03-2022 , 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by jcorb
it's all right here. This guy nails it with BTO (bitch theory optimal)

"She also blocks these cards which are in Garrett's range 0.0000007% of the time!" Such subtlety will be lost on many.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7_s8T6nn7E
Funny video if accurate.... and I don't mean his terrible take at humor.

I haven't ran a sim on this because it a waste of time/a format I don't play. But it looks to be roughly what I expected (can't shove often because overbetting so large, tight combo spot, will have multiple sizing adding further filtration, not many hands want to just overbet shove all the money)

Let's assume his sim was correct and all he did was force in j4 action.


1. Jc IS a relevant blocker as I've been saying for days when it comes to calling, and that's vs GTO (cry gman fanboys, even he didn't get this one)
2. She is NOT losing to high card bluffs. Egg on the face of everyone saying shes behind his QJ offsuit!!!
3. AT and 33 is his value range ( vs reality he could be way heavier or way lighter in terms of frequency here, not surprised to see him bluff heavy as I've said for a long time, coming from him choosing diff sizing with the nuts more often than he should or just calling)
4. It's actually shoving all 78s at freq, 78cc or HH is his MOST LIKELY HAND(correction, combo) even when accounting for GTO.

Now some raw speculation: I think gman would shove j8cc/hh more often than gto, as well as may shove 67cc/hh 68cc/hh variants if he felt he had a read more often and have expressed I think hes light on the value since day 1.

Shes losing 60bb according making this play, har har so funny! (Work out the math on how often that means she wins, it's like a very surprising number to some of you and that is vs a GTO RANGE, she is expected to get back 50bb of her stack or whatever)

Hopefully now some of you can see the bridge is not that far for garrett to leave himself open to exploitation as is the nature of tight combo spots and OVERBETTING IN GENERAL BECAUSE OF THE PRICE YOU LAY AND HAND VIABILITY, all he has to do is shove too many combo draws and not enough at/33 and that 60 number is going to diminish real fast. The most salient point is NO BLUFFS BEAT HER, the clueless please stop saying shes losing to j8 offsuit or w/e.


Egg on my face if its a BS sim, but the at/33 rings true to me with bluffs built around that, and didn't expect to see a single draw that beats her be a gto shove.


TLDR, her play of "didnt think you had ****, put you on a draw, i have a jc blocker, you wouldn't shove a ten" is closer to how this spot really works than 99.9% of people I've seen try to talk strategy about it, even "top pros".

It really is a spot where she can simply say "i think you have a draw and call" and can easily be not losing much if reads have any merit and someone deviates not too far from GTO (ten or so COMBOS will skew it)

This is why earlier I said I wish she just called with ace high.

Last edited by Eskaborr; 10-03-2022 at 10:29 AM.
10-03-2022 , 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Eskaborr
Funny video if accurate.... and I don't mean his terrible take at humor.

I haven't ran a sim on this because it a waste of time/a format I don't play. But it looks to be roughly what I expected (can't shove often because overbetting so large, tight combo spot, will have multiple sizing adding further filtration, not many hands want to just overbet shove all the money)

Let's assume his sim was correct and all he did was force in j4 action.


1. Jc IS a relevant blocker as I've been saying for days when it comes to calling, and that's vs GTO (cry gman fanboys, even he didn't get this one)
2. She is NOT losing to high card bluffs. Egg on the face of everyone saying shes behind his QJ offsuit!!! (In reality expect gman to have MORE high card bluffs fwiw but almost none that beat her as explo they are terrible shoves)
3. AT and 33 is his value range ( vs reality he could be way heavier or way lighter in terms of frequency here, not surprised to see him bluff heavy as I've said for a long time, coming from him choosing diff sizing with the nuts more often than he should or just calling)
4. It's actually shoving all 78s at freq, 78cc is his MOST LIKELY HAND even when accounting for GTO.

Shes losing 60bb making this play, har har so funny!

Hopefully now some of you can see the bridge is not that far for garrett to leave himself open to exploitation as is the nature of tight combo spots and OVERBETTING IN GENERAL BECAUSE OF THE PRICE YOU LAY AND HAND VIABILITY, all he has to do is shove too many combo draws and not enough at/33 and that 60 number is going to diminish real fast. The most salient point is NO BLUFFS BEAT HER, the clueless please stop saying shes losing to j8 offsuit or w/e.


Egg on my face if its a BS sim, but the at/33 rings true to me with bluffs built around that, and didn't expect to see a single draw that beats her be a gto shove.
You seem to be forgetting that she's an idiot.
10-03-2022 , 10:23 AM
Doug Polk: 90% cheated
Phil Galfond: 85% not cheated
10-03-2022 , 10:30 AM
Lying about the thing on her hip is the biggest issue because it's so transparent. Everything else can be explained in one way or another. I understand the impulse from the Robbi defenders to argue that because it's so obvious that there is no way it could be a cheating device, but that's not how to go about thinking about these sorts of things-- it either has an explanation or it doesn't, and her trying to gaslight it away makes her look super guilty. Maybe it'll come out that she's a diabetic and it's her insulin monitor or something-- but then she could of course just say that.
10-03-2022 , 10:31 AM
In contemporary poker environment, it is wrongly assumed player's are supposed to reveal metagame to the world - Ain't going to "tell you ****" as they say.
10-03-2022 , 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Lying about the thing on her hip is the biggest issue because it's so transparent. Everything else can be explained in one way or another. I understand the impulse from the Robbie defenders to argue that because it's so obvious that there is no way it could be a cheating device, but that's not how to go about thinking about these sorts of things-- it either has an explanation or it doesn't, and her trying to gaslight it away makes her look super guilty. Maybe it'll come out that she's a diabetic and it's her insulin monitor or something but then she could of course just say that.
If that is somehow not an artifact this is the only real evidence/line I agree with at all being likely so far. That and her hole carding andy who is right next to her who had t6
10-03-2022 , 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by lonely_but_rich
You seem to be forgetting that she's an idiot.
Yeah well 99.9% of people commenting on the hand as far as strategy are too, so there's that. I just find it hilarious the video was suppose to make fun of her, who everyone expects to be an idiot, and it actually if accurate exposed the vast majority of the poker world as stone clueless to how this game works. If there was no sims most everyone would still be in the dark ages of poker.

If you need a sim to tell you that he can't shove t8 for value and can't shove QJ no fd as a bluff, realistically when it comes to poker you're just as dumb as her (them not you specifically).
10-03-2022 , 10:45 AM
The simple explanation as others have said - she simply saw Andys hand

https://youtu.be/9NNKjWscKWo?t=122

At this specific time in the video - Andy folds a 10... and I think Robbie simply sees his hand!

Mainly it is how Andy lifts his cards - he is practically lifting them in the direction of Robbie. But this now explains a lot about the incident

The hand becomes a lot easier to play when you KNOW a 10 has been folded. It makes draws far more likely (but still a difficult call) , it explains Robbie saying she hoped he had Ace high. She simply hoped her Jack and 4 were still live and she may spike a pair. And finally - it explains her giving the money back. She knows she cheated but not in the sense of using a vibrating device or a wi-fi device, she simply saw an opponents hand!

Possibly clutching at straws here - but the moment Andy folds his hand Robbie instantly moves her head and her chips. Could be completely coincidental. But I think the simple explanation is....

She saw Andys hand!! blink and youll miss it the entire incident is 2.03 to 2.05
10-03-2022 , 10:48 AM
Oh yeah and Gman does have huge tells. I'd love an invite to that game if the line up is an average of what it's been recently, even with him having direct position on me.
10-03-2022 , 10:49 AM
Also i keep watching it...the moment Andy folds, she moves her head and her chips. keep replaying it. I think that is the entire incident now, in all honesty

https://youtu.be/9NNKjWscKWo?t=122

the moment andy folds at 2.05.. boom, back to not looking
10-03-2022 , 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by super_dave31
Also i keep watching it...the moment Andy folds, she moves her head and her chips. keep replaying it. I think that is the entire incident now, in all honesty

https://youtu.be/9NNKjWscKWo?t=122

the moment andy folds at 2.05.. boom, back to not looking
Makes even more sense why she leans way back in her chair when gman is looking at his cards if she did see andys, shes thinking holy f a top pro just showed me his hand, wonder if gman will too.

Even if both are true not enough reason to call her a cheat, as the first could be accidental and the 2nd one not be true, small sample. She doesn't owe a dime if she saw andys hand or any explanation tbh if she is not rubber necking to see peoples cards. It would be the right thing to declare, and anyone who has played live with me has seen me be able to spot cards a full tables length away and call them out... but it's honestly not her obligation.
10-03-2022 , 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Eskaborr
Yeah well 99.9% of people commenting on the hand as far as strategy are too, so there's that. I just find it hilarious the video was suppose to make fun of her, who everyone expects to be an idiot, and it actually if accurate exposed the vast majority of the poker world as stone clueless to how this game works. If there was no sims most everyone would still be in the dark ages of poker.
Bruh I 100% agree with you, I really dont get the "impossible call" nonesense that has been sprouted since 1sec after her call, like with no real deeper hand analysis.

As soon as I see the hand I'm thinking she wanted to call cos she just thought this guy had a low-draw or even more accurately as she said "you dont have ****". For all she knows he can have 45cc or 68 off.

10 10 9. All she is thinking is so many low-cards he can have below a 9 that matches with her read of him being weak.

Also, lets not forget that is probably the best flop in the world to hero call with J-High. Paired board, lots of possible weak holdings below a 9. Few weak draws above a 10 that are great bluffs.

Terrible analysis and thought process from the pros just because they dont get into these spots themselves. Very lazy and unobjective.
10-03-2022 , 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by super_dave31
The hand becomes a lot easier to play when you KNOW a 10 has been folded.
Yes, way easier to call off your entire stack there with jack high on the turn.

      
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